The 1997 Ling-TeX Archives

13th January 1997: TeX and linguistics books, journals

Well, we keep revisiting this topic about once a year ... ;-)

Last year in February (something like the 12th or 15th) I'd posted a
query about journals using TeX. In addition to the two I've been
responsible for (Cdn. Jrnl. of Ling, Papers of the Alg. Conf.), there
was also the {\sl Journal of Natural Language Processing\/}, mentioned
by a fellow called Bond -- thanks! [although the web site is kind of
.. inscrutible ... ;-) ]

But now I'm fishing for bigger things ... ;-) Linguistics *books* done
in TeX.

I'm writing up an overview of various TeX applications, including
linguistics (no surprise there) for a piece in TUGboat. I'd like to
include at this time a listing of books that have been published in,
say, the last 2 years.

Info I think I'd need:

I.   author, Title. Place: Publisher, year, no. of pages.

II.  TeX or LaTeX (2.09 or 2e); in-house or other macros. 

III. Font(s) used. 

I'm not sure at this stage if I'll have room for all that info but I
might as well collect it now and then figure out when/where to use it
all. Also, I'm not sure if it's useful to include info on who did the
actual TeX work: the author, the publisher (in-house), or a third
party contracted to the publisher.

I'm also keeping at the back of my mind not only updates on
publications in the TUGboat column but also having something on the
web, where more elaborate info can easily be provided and added. So
again, not sure how much info to ask for at this stage.

If anyone keeps old mail, you could use that as a template for info --
but only what applies to books.


The intent of all this? To start assembling a list of publications,
topic by topic, to make it easier for someone to answer the question
``So, other than math, what's TeX good for?!'' I know this was a
topic of discussion on c.t.t. towards the end of last year. And it's a
question that often arises when talking to people: either it's assumed
only maths/sciences types use it, or that it has no relevance for
anything outside maths/sciences. 

Of course, those of us on this list know otherwise ;-)) 

Thanks very much. 

Christina

14th January 1997: Someone tried to reach me ...

Sorry to put this out on the general list ... 

I've received a number of replies already to my query about
linguistics books done in TeX (and some that aren't linguistics -- but
still humanities, so still fair game). I'd like to thank those people
for having taken the time so quickly to reply.

However, one message has the following at the top -- and no contents,
so I'm not sure what to make of it. Could the person who is at
``fdl1.kub.nl'' perhaps try to reach me again?  Or is it
``spooren@socrates.berkeley.edu'' ?  Hmmm ...

Thanks.

Ch.

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The original message was received at Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:52:35 +0100
(MET)
from fdl1.kub.nl [137.56.128.22]

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.. while talking to socrates.berkeley.edu.:
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23rd January 1997: Klingon

I will lecture on artificial languages next week. Of course, I would
like to present the Klingon alphabet. Unfortunately, I do not know
how to put the characters in my document. The solutions I have
thought of (see below) just do not work.
Thank you for your help!
Martin
------------------------------------ a possible klin.sty
package--------------
%\@newtextcmd (see Kopka's book) does not work
%
%-------------
\def\fileversion{1.0}
\def\filedate{1997/1/22}
\def\docdate {1997/1/22}
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}
\ProvidesPackage{klin}[\filedate\space\fileversion\space
standard LaTeX2e package]
\typeout{Standard Package: `klin' by M.Haase
\fileversion\space<\filedate>}
%
\chardef\tempcat=\the\catcode`\@ \catcode`\@=11
\providecommand{\klinfont}{\usefont{OT1}{klin}{m}{n}}
\@newtextcmd{\textklin}{\klinfont}
\catcode`\@=\tempcat
\endinput
----------- a possible klin.fd--------------------------
\def\fileversion{1.0}
\def\filedate{1997/1/22}
\def\docdate {1997/1/22}
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}
\wlog
%
\DeclareFontFamily{OT1}{klin}
\DeclareFontShape{OT1}{klin}{m}{n}{%
<8> <9> <10> <10.96> <12> <14.4> <17.28> <20.74> <24.88> klinz}{}
\endinput
----------------
not even a straightforward solution like the following tex-file
wouldn't work:
---------
% format: lplaing
\documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{article}
\begin{document}
Kronos:
\DeclareFontFamily{OT1}{klin}
\DeclareFontShape{OT1}{klin}{m}{n}{%
<8> <9> <10> <10.96> <12> <14.4> <17.28> <20.74> <24.88> klinz}{}
\usefont{OT1}{klin}{m}{n}
Qo'nos
\end{document}

-----------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Martin Haase, Universitaet FB 7, D-49069 Osnabrueck
Tel.:+49-541-969-4340, FAX:+49-541-969-4256
http://www.cl-ki.Uni-Osnabrueck.de/~haase/

1st February 1997: Top-aligned matrices?

From: kathol@violet.berkeley.edu (Andreas Kathol)
Subject: Top-aligned matrices?

Ling-texers,

Here's a problem that's been bugging me for a while now. There's
probably a ridiculously simple fix to it, but I can't seem to find it.

Suppose you have a bunch of arrays or tables that you'd like to
display so that their top line is aligned with the baseline of the
current text. With the "t" parameter, this will work quite handily:

\begin{array}[t]{l} 
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla
\end{array}
\begin{array}[t]{l} 
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla
\end{array}

But now suppose that you also want to have square brackets around the
arrays, for instance to display AVM-style feature descriptions for
HPSG.

\left[
\begin{array}[t]{l} 
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla
\end{array}
\right]
\left[
\begin{array}[t]{l} 
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla
\end{array}
\right]

The top lines in the resulting arrays are still aligned; however, now
the square brackets won't be flush with the top line, but instead
extend the same length *above* the baseline as they reach below,
looking something like this:

	               +-       -+
	+-      -+     |         |
	|	 |     |         |
basline	|bla bla |     |bla bla  | baseline
	|bla bla |     |bla bla  |
	+-	-+     |bla bla  |
	               +-       -+

Any suggestions on how to suppress this "overhead"?

  --Andreas

2nd February 1997: Re: Top-aligned matrices?

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: Top-aligned matrices? 

If you are allowed to use some brutal force, here is my answer.

\newenvironment{toparray}[1]{%
  \newdimen\topht
  \setbox0\hbox{$\left[\begin{array}{l}a\end{array}\right]$}\topht\ht0
  \setbox0\hbox\bgroup$\left[\begin{array}{#1}}%
  {\end{array}\right]$\egroup
  \vbox to \topht{\copy0\vfil}%
  \dimen0\ht0\advance\dimen0\dp0\advance\dimen0-\topht
  \vrule width 0pt height 0pt depth \dimen0}

begin
$
\begin{toparray}{l}
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla
\end{toparray}
\begin{toparray}{l}
  bla bla \\
  ...     \\
  bla bla \\
  bla bla
\end{toparray}
$
end

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FUKUI Rei, University of Tokyo
fkr@tooyoo.L.u-tokyo.ac.jp

3rd February 1997: BibTeX query -- MLA style

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: BibTeX query -- MLA style

Peter Flynn's asked me to post the following query:

> 
> I have a novice user wants to use this (_has_ to use MLA) for a
> bibliography project. I've never used it before, any caveats?
> 
> ///Peter
> 


If anyone has comments or suggestions, please post here, with a cc to
Peter (pflynn@curia.ucc.ie). 

Ch.

10th February 1997: Re: LaTeX journal and book

From: bond@kssalt.cipl.cae.ntt.co.jp (Francis Bond)
Subject: Re: latex journal and book submissions

G'day,

I saw the following on the hpsg mailing list:
>->"Ivan" == Ivan A Sag  writes:
Ivan> All,

Ivan> I don't know how many of you have had the problem of preparing
Ivan> beautiful latex manuscripts that are, once accepted for
Ivan> publication, retyped by hand in some non-latex format
Ivan> (introducing the possibility of new errors), with the figures
Ivan> redone in some form of MacArt (or whatever).

Ivan> I would like to encourage all of you who have such problems to
Ivan> make sure you bring up the possibility of latex submission with
Ivan> the journal editor or publisher you are dealing with. Some
Ivan> publishers are apparently resistant to the idea primarily
Ivan> because they believe there is little demand for direct latex
Ivan> submission.

[snip: tales of woe moved to end of letter]

Ivan> This situation can change only if the journals get the
Ivan> message. So if you have this kind of problem, I urge you to let
Ivan> the editors of the journals you deal with know when their
Ivan> production methods are not up to your own desktop standards...

I am not sure if you know of it, but there is a mailing list about
(La)TeX and linguistics run by Christina Thiele .  

She is now in the process of writing up an overview of various TeX
applications, including linguistics (no surprise there) for a piece in
TUGboat.  She has asked for information on books that have been published in,
say, the last 2 years, with the following info:

I.   author, Title. Place: Publisher, year, no. of pages.

II.  TeX or LaTeX (2.09 or 2e); in-house or other macros. 

III. Font(s) used. 

IV.  Who did the actual TeX work: the author, the publisher
(in-house), or a third party contracted to the publisher.

Christina> The intent of all this? To start assembling a list of
Christina> publications, topic by topic, to make it easier for someone
Christina> to answer the question ``So, other than math, what's TeX
Christina> good for?!'' I know this was a topic of discussion on
Christina> c.t.t. towards the end of last year. And it's a question
Christina> that often arises when talking to people: either it's
Christina> assumed only maths/sciences types use it, or that it has no
Christina> relevance for anything outside maths/sciences.

If you want to encourage people to use (La)TeX for linguistics, please
add to Christina's list, and then quote it when talking to publishers!

Francis ``LaTeX fan'' Bond	
NTT Communication Science Laboratories | Machine Translation Research Group

Ivan's tales of woe:

Ivan> To give you just one example, my favorite theoretical
Ivan> linguistics journal -- Journal of Linguistics (which I strongly
Ivan> recommend to you!)  is published by Cambridge University
Ivan> Press. Although the Math(s) and Computer Science people at CUP
Ivan> are some of the best latex experts in the world, the linguistics
Ivan> journals are unable to deal with latex submissions at all. It
Ivan> sounds like the people from one department at CUP don't even
Ivan> talk to the people from the others.

Ivan> I also know of a book published a couple of years ago (which
Ivan> will remain nameless, unless you ask me in person sometime, in
Ivan> which case I'll tell you the whole pathetic story in all its
Ivan> gory detail) whose last-minute MacArt keying in of just the
Ivan> diagrams introduced over 2,000 errors that had to be corrected
Ivan> by hand by the authors over the course of 3 stages of galley
Ivan> proofs. Caveat auctor!

10th February 1997: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

It's come to my attention ( ;-)) )  that there are publishers and
others who aren't convinced that LaTeX has anything appropriate or
useful to contribute to the world of linguistics typesetting. 

And I've also just realised, in responding to the message in question,
that I keep repeating the same information ... ;-) 

So we're going to start up a FAQ! Here's my initial draft. I'd like to
ask all ling-tex readers to look it over, correct the typos (I'm good
at 'em!), suggest new entries, better ordering of elements, whatever
you feel would make this a handy little reference to float by the
unbelievers ... ;-) 

But seriously. We have now built up a repertoire of style files,
fonts, archived information, publications and more. Maybe it's time we
put it all together in a handy reference form. So here goes!

Ch.

==================================================

                   A TITLE!!! 


1. Introduction

    Do we need an intro?! Some kind of smarmy welcome to the world
    of TeX and Linguistics, with perhaps a mention that some of us
    have been doing this since 1983? ... by the way, anyone got an
    earlier date?! 


2. ling-tex, a listserv list:

   To subscribe or unsubscribe, send your request to 

         ling-tex-request@ifi.uio.no

   and it will reach the maintainer of the list.

   Once subscribed, post your messages to:

          ling-tex@ifi.uio.no       


3. Web sites:

   a. ling-tex:     http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag/ling-tex.html

   b. the IPA:      http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa/html
      
       I finally went to this site yesterday -- pretty neat!

       surely we've got more site ... or should we restrict this
       to only TeX + Linguistics ... or should we have T + L
       entries *and* purely linguistics ones?


4. Inventory of TeX macros on CTAN:

   filename:  ling-mac.tex    
   directory: tex-archive/info/


5. Published information:

   a. Ch. Thiele, ``TeX and Linguistics,'' _TUGboat_ 16,1 (1995),
      pages 42--44. 

   b. Fukui Rei, ``TIPA: A System for Processing Phonetic Symbols in
      LaTeX,'' _TUGboat_ 17,2 (1996), pages 102--114. [Paper read
      at the 1996 TUG Annual Meeting, Dubna, Russia, July 28--August
      2, 1996.]

   c. Ch. Thiele, ``TeX and the Humanities,'' _TUGboat_ 17,4 (1996),
      in press. [the issue goes to the printer later this week]


6.   not sure where/how to fit this in -- or even if it should be in
     here

    Questionnaire for humanities journals regarding the extent of
    their TeX use.


=======

Well ... that's actually all I came up with on the spur of the
moment. Please let's add to this. And I think the most useful will be
to post your suggestions to the ling-tex list, so that we can all
participate in the creation of our first FAQ ... ;-))

========

Something interesting for the start of the week ;-) 

Ch.

10th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: "Harold F. Schiffman" 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

I think we could also usefully add info, sites. etc where TeX/LaTeX fonts
for non-roman languages exist, because their existence is a strong
argument for use of Tex and LaTeX.  (How else can you provide camera-ready
copy for mss. in some of these languages?)  E.g. I helped develop a Tamil
font for Tex and Latex (WNTamil) and an using it to typeset an
English-Tamil dictionary, and have also produced a grammar of Tamil using
this font with gb4e.sty for the linguistic examples; what other system
lets us also incorporate IPA fonts and all the other useful things that I
don't see existing in other systems? 

Hal Schiffman

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Harold F. Schiffman				           Academic Director
Henry R. Luce Professor of Language Learning		Penn Language Center
Dept. of South Asia Regional Studies		   4th Floor, Lauder-Fischer
820 Williams Hall, Box 6305					    Box 6330
					
			University of Pennsylvania
			Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305

10th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

Harold F. Schiffman writes:

> I think we could also usefully add info, sites. etc where TeX/LaTeX
> fonts
> for non-roman languages exist, because their existence is a strong
> argument for use of Tex and LaTeX.  (How else can you provide
> camera-ready
> copy for mss. in some of these languages?)  E.g. I helped develop a
> Tamil
> font for Tex and Latex (WNTamil) and an using it to typeset an
> English-Tamil dictionary, and have also produced a grammar of Tamil
> using
> this font with gb4e.sty for the linguistic examples; what other system
> lets us also incorporate IPA fonts and all the other useful things
> that I
> don't see existing in other systems? 


Well, this is quite true. It of course means a lot more work! There
used to be a fellow who would put a type of font-faq together several
years ago. I don't know if he still does, if that list is updated at
all (I think I have an old copy somewhere ... which I beleive I even
formatted in TeX for presentation at a conference poster session --
Gad, the things we do!). Anyways, our FAQ should not *contain* all the
details so much as point to where the details are. 

So. Does anyone know if that font-faq still exists? If yes, I wonder
if it's on CTAN somewhere -- we can then just add a pointer to it,
much as the inventory of macros is on CTAN. ... uh ... ya, I know, I
said I'd update that thing last fall but it's not been done yet
.. well, maybe in the next few weeks? Maybe? If I get a few nudges
and nags .. ;-) 

Oh, if there are other font listings that people know about, post the
info here (I mean about the listings, not the whole listing!). 

On the other hand, if there's no such listing, then it means we need
to work from something that exists (I can provide something here) but
then it will have to be updated ... soooo ... font-fans, hellooo!!! If
we need to do some revision work, we'll need a few ethusiasts to help
out with the work ... 

But for now -- let's just find out what exists. 

Good suggestion, though, Hal. And it just further underlines how
flexible TeX can be. 

My own favourite flexibility story is where I was able to speedily
find and utilise some Hebrew fonts for an article whose author was
just thrilled to see nicely typeset Hebrew chars rather than crude
hand-drawn work. Since I don't know Hebrew, it was also very
convenient to be able to have a char-chart to send to him, and ask him
to simply indicate (the chars were all named) which chars were the
more correct representations -- he again was delighted at being able
to lend a hand so directly. 

Now where else you gonna get a font that fast into your stuff?!



Ch.

10th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ (fwd)

From the master collector of all TeX arcana, We have an answer about
that font-faq I was thinking of.

I would also ask that anyone interested in fonts, or who has used
interesting fonts -- if you have time at all, could you folks take a
copy of the file and check if it has your information? 

If not, e-mail your updates/corrections to Liam Quinn, whose address,
as Barbara has indicated, is:  

       lee@sq.com

and provide him with the necessary information (if you look at a few
entries in his collection, you'll see what's usually included).

I will add the CTAN address to the draft FAX.

Many thanks, Barbara, for the pointer!

Ch.

==================================

bbeeton writes:
> the fonts-faq is updated when new material is provided to the
> compiler, who is liam quinn, lee@sq.com; the file is circulated
> monthly to comp.text.tex and thence posted to ctan.
> 
> the ctan file name is
>  help/[comp.text.tex]_Metafont:_All_fonts_available_in_.mf_format
> 
> so point to it.
> 						-- bb

10th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: "Harold F. Schiffman" 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

The reason I'm pushing this is that some of these fonts are in sort of a
precarious state.  For example, Tom Ridgeway developed WNTamil at
UWashington (I ws involved in the development to the extent that I was the
one who wanted them, so I put in my two cents, mostly about the aesthetics
of the design) but now both Tom and I have left UW, and I have no idea
what state the fonts are in, like who *owns* them and who's in charge of
fixing them? (I was never happy with some of the shapes, but never got
back to tweaking them) but I do know that people go in to an ftp site
there and get the fonts and use them. 

Because if this list isn't the place to go to find out about them, which
one is?  I'd like to know about TeX fonts for Cambodian, but wouldn't have
any idea of where to start...

Hal Schiffman

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Harold F. Schiffman				           Academic Director
Henry R. Luce Professor of Language Learning		Penn Language Center
Dept. of South Asia Regional Studies		   4th Floor, Lauder-Fischer
820 Williams Hall, Box 6305					    Box 6330
					
			University of Pennsylvania
			Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305

11th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: KNAPPEN@VKPMZD.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

Christina, 

you asked:

There
used to be a fellow who would put a type of font-faq together several
years ago. I don't know if he still does, if that list is updated at
all (I think I have an old copy somewhere ... which I beleive I even
formatted in TeX for presentation at a conference poster session --
Gad, the things we do!).

  Liam Quin still posts his FAQ on all METAFONT available (i. e. Freely 
available PostScript fonts are not part of this FAQ). However, this FAQ is 
now outdated for years, and I have given up sending corrections to the 
author, since he does not care to build them in.

--J"org Knappen.

11th February 1997: The draft FAQ -- in LaTeX format

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: The draft FAQ -- in LaTeX format

Here's a draft in LaTeX-able format (it's old 2.09 but no problem if
you have 2e ... The Upgrade will be coming soon to my machine, I'm
told ;-) ). 

Again, please post your comments to the ling-tex list, rather than to
me directly -- I'd really like to have people be part of the process
.. and because this way, if something one person knows is slightly
out of date, then it is quickly updated here on the list. 

At this moment, this particular qualm concerns the font-faq and its
actual currency. If it is, as Jorg has indicated, out of date, should
be perhaps simply add a note to that effect, but still include it in
the FAQ sheet? 

Also, if freely available PS fonts are to be hand, is there a listing
of those which we could include? 

[I realise that ling-tex is configured to return `reply' messages back
to the originator rather than the list, so it takes a little extra
care to put the correct address into place. But I really would like a
collaborative effort here ... I keep claiming we all collaborate, so
please don't make me a liar ;-)) ]

Ch.

====================== ling-tex-faq.tex

%% 10 FEB 97: began working out contents for a FAQ for ling-tex;
%%            posted draft version to the list for comment (Ch.)
%% 11 FEB 97: turned ascii file into LaTeX; added TUG's web page +
%%            c.t.t. (Ch.) 
%%


\documentstyle[twocolumn]{article}

\setlength{\textwidth}{17cm}
\setlength{\textheight}{24cm}
\setlength{\oddsidemargin}{0pc}
\setlength{\evensidemargin}{0pc}
\setlength{\topmargin}{-6pc}


\begin{document}


\title{{\tt ling-tex} FAQ \\ [1pc]
       or, \TeX\ and Linguistics Information}

\author{Christina Thiele \\
        and members of the {\tt ling-tex} list}

\maketitle

\section{Introduction}

Do we need an intro?! Some kind of smarmy welcome to the world of
\TeX\ and Linguistics, with perhaps a mention that some of us have
been doing this since 1983? \dots\ by the way, anyone got an earlier
date?!


\section{Lists and newsgroups}

\begin{description}
   \item [{\tt ling-tex}], a listserv list. 

         To subscribe or unsubscribe, send your request to:

         \verb|ling-tex-request@ifi.uio.no|

         and it will reach the maintainer of the list. Once
         subscribed, post your messages to:

         \verb|ling-tex@ifi.uio.no|

   \item [{\tt comp.text.tex}], a newsgroup.

         To post messages, send to:

         info-tex@shsu.edu
\end{description}      


\section{Web sites}

\begin{description}
   \item [ling-tex:] {\tt http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag/ling-tex.html}

   \item [the IPA:]  {\tt http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa/html}

   \item [\TeX\ Users Group:]  {\tt http://www.tug.org/}
\end{description}      


\section{Macro Inventory}

The CTAN archives store massive amounts of material; a considerable
portion can be found under the {\tt tex-archive} subdirectory. Most
file transfers can be effected via ftp to the nearest site; the main
ones are:

   {\tt ftp.tex.ac.uk} \qquad {\tt ftp.dante.de}

Once there, go to the {\tt tex-archive/info/} directory --- the file
to fetch is: {\tt ling-mac.tex}. This inventory is the same as the one
published in {\it TUGboat\/} (1995).


\section{Fonts}

While linguistics material is usually immediately associated with the
IPA (the International Phonetic Alphabet), there is often call for
fonts for non-roman languages --- as one ling-tex subscriber wrote,
``their existence is a strong argument for use of \TeX and \LaTeX{}.''

There is a monthly FAQ produced by Liam Quin of SoftQuad Inc.,
Toronto, Canada {\tt lee@sq.com}, who posts his {\tt
fonts-faq/metafont-list} to a variety of newsgroups, including {\tt
comp.text.tex}, {\tt comp.fonts}, {\tt comp.answers}, {\tt
news.answers} under the subject ``Metafont: All fonts available in .mf
format'' (the above information courtesy of Oliver Kesner).

The CTAN location for archived copies of this listing can be found in
the subdirectory {\tt /ctan/tex-archive/ help} under the filename {\tt
[comp.text.tex]\_Meta\-font:\_All\_fonts\_available\_in\_.mf\_format}.
Note that in the same place there is also {\tt
Diffs\_to\_Fre\-quently\_Asked\_Questions\_about\_TeX\_and\_LaTeX\_},
also posted once a month.
 

\section{Published information}

\begin{enumerate}
   \item Ch. Thiele, ``\TeX\ and Linguistics,'' {\it TUGboat\/} 16,1
         (1995), pages 42--44.

   \item Fukui Rei, ``TIPA: A System for Processing Phonetic Symbols
      in \LaTeX,'' {\it TUGboat\/} 17,2 (1996), pages 102--114. [Paper
      read at the 1996 TUG Annual Meeting, Dubna, Russia, July
      28--August 2, 1996.]

   \item Ch. Thiele, ``\TeX\ and the Humanities,'' {\it TUGboat\/}
      17,4 (1996), in press.
\end{enumerate}


\section{Questionnaire for humanities journals}

Questionnaire for humanities journals regarding the extent of their
\TeX\ use. To date, the linguistics journals which have been accounted
for by this survey include:

\begin{enumerate}
   \item {\sl Canadian Journal of Linguistics\/}; plain \TeX\ use
         since 1984; \LaTeX\ since 1994.

   \item {\sl Carleton Papers in Applied Language Studies\/}; plain
         \TeX\ from 1984 to 1992.

   \item {\sl Journal of Natural Language Processing\/}; since 1994.

   \item {\sl Journal of Southeast Asian Language Teaching\/}; \LaTeX\
         from 1990 to 1995.

   \item {\sl Papers of the Algonquian Conference\/}; plain \TeX\
         since 1983; \LaTeX\ used in 1994; production has since moved
         to a new system.

   \item {\sl Recherches S\'emiotiques/Semiotic Inquiry\/}; plain
         \TeX\ from 1986 to 1988.

   \item {\sl Revista Canadiense de Estudios Hisp\'anicos\/}; plain
         \TeX\ from 1987 to 1989.
\end{enumerate}

\end{document}

%% END OF FILE

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

Pedro J. Aphalo writes:
> 
> After sending this message to Christina I read her very reasonable 
> suggestion of sending comments to the list. So here it is:

And I thank you for being such a reasonable ling-tex enthusiast!

> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From:          Self 
> To:            cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
> Subject:       Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ
> Date:          Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:54:15 +0200
> 
> >       \item [{\tt comp.text.tex}], a newsgroup.
> >    
> >             To post messages, send to:
> >    
> >             info-tex@shsu.edu
> >    \end{description}      
> > 
> > 
> > At least, that's what I do if I post to c.t.t. ... which I haven't
> > done in a long time, actually ... 
> > 
> I post messages directly to the newsgroup.
> info-tex used to be (is?) a mail list, which had (has?) a gateway to the 
> newsgroup. Now that CTAN at shsu.edu is dead, it would be better to 
> check whether info-tex is still alive. If it is alive, then I would 
> make clear that info-tex is a list, to which one can subscribe even if one 
> does not have news access...
> 
> I hope this helps.

It does to a certain extent -- I know now that the above text isn't
good enough for our FAQ!  

So, fellow ling-tex-ers ... what should we have vis-a-vis instructions
on accessing comp.text.tex? 

> Pedro.
> 
> p.s.: I am an agronomist (now doing research on trees), but find most 
> messages in ling-tex quite interesting! Many of the problems, like 
> getting editors to accept manuscripts prepared with LaTeX seem to be 
> similar in biological journals and linguistic journals.
> 
> ...

Well -- we're glad you like what we have to say ;-) Dare I say that
the cross-pollination seems to be doing us all some good ;-))

Ch.

12th February 1997: Re: The draft FAQ -- in LaTeX format

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: The draft FAQ -- in LaTeX format

joost witteveen writes:
> 
> > Here's a draft in LaTeX-able format (it's old 2.09 but no problem if
> 
> Noticed just one typo:
> >    \item [the IPA:]  {\tt http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa/html}
> 
> http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa.html
>                                  ^
> Works better for me.

!!! Indeed! I just *knew* there had to be thiele-typo in there
somewhere! Thanks very much for spotting it. It's now been corrected
in my file here. 

> (I didn't test the rest, I only tried to look at the IPA page).

Pretty neat, eh? I haven't had time to explore the really juicy parts,
like samples of the alphabet and such but ... looks pretty useful,
folks, if you have a hankering to get IPA info. 

Thanks, Joost.

> 
> 
> -- 
> joost witteveen
>             joost@rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl
>           joostje@debian.org
> --
> Use Debian/GNU Linux!
> 

Ch.

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

FUKUI Rei writes:
> 
> Dear Christina
> 
> I looked at the font-faq written by Liam Quin a few years ago and
> since then I realized that we need a more detailed font faq that
> contains the following information for each set of fonts.
> 
>  - author, location, date, etc.
>  - In what way is it encoded?
>  - Does it cover all the necessary characters?
>  - How about the quality?
>  - Any difficulty in installing and using it?
>  - Does it require a special editor in writing TeX sources?
>  - Does it require a special TeX program?
>  - Does it require a special pre-processor?
>  - Does it require a special dvi driver?
>  - Is latex2e supported? (Or, is latex209 supported?)
>  - Any bugs and, if any, how to avoid them?
> 
> To sum up, we need, or at least I need, a working knowledge that is
> helpful in actually using it. Whenever I look into the CTAN font
> directory, I am tempted to try to use all of them but so far actually
> tried only a few. Maybe toward the end of the next month I can have
> some free time to do so but I cannot promise ;-).
> 
> Fukui Rei

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: Alexis Dimitriadis 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

> FUKUI Rei writes:

> > I looked at the font-faq written by Liam Quin a few years ago and
> > since then I realized that we need a more detailed font faq that
> > contains the following information for each set of fonts.

Christina Thiele writes:

> ... perhaps when you're ready to start this daunting -- but yes, very
> necessary -- job, you might consider asking some of the keen fontophiles
> on the ling-tex list to perhaps join in a team effort.
> 
> For example, you might divide the task up by font encodings, or some
> other perhaps more useful subdivisions. 

Might I suggest:

Since most of the TeX fonts out there are probably in use by at least one
person, you might consider putting together a form asking the right
questions, then soliciting entries for the fonts people use.  This ought to
produce a sizable database without anyone having to install and test out a
font just for evaluation purposes.

Just an idea,

Alexis Dimitriadis


(Fukui Rei's list of desiderata:)

> >  - author, location, date, etc.
> >  - In what way is it encoded?
> >  - Does it cover all the necessary characters?
> >  - How about the quality?
> >  - Any difficulty in installing and using it?
> >  - Does it require a special editor in writing TeX sources?
> >  - Does it require a special TeX program?
> >  - Does it require a special pre-processor?
> >  - Does it require a special dvi driver?
> >  - Is latex2e supported? (Or, is latex209 supported?)
> >  - Any bugs and, if any, how to avoid them?
> > 
> > To sum up, we need, or at least I need, a working knowledge that is
> > helpful in actually using it. Whenever I look into the CTAN font
> > directory, I am tempted to try to use all of them but so far actually
> > tried only a few. Maybe toward the end of the next month I can have
> > some free time to do so but I cannot promise ;-).
> > 
> > Fukui Rei

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

Alexis Dimitriadis writes:
> 
> ...
> Might I suggest:
> 
> Since most of the TeX fonts out there are probably in use by at least one
> person, you might consider putting together a form asking the right
> questions, then soliciting entries for the fonts people use.  This ought to
> produce a sizable database without anyone having to install and test out a
> font just for evaluation purposes.
> 
> Just an idea,
> 
> Alexis Dimitriadis
> 


Now *there's* someone who's thinking! Ha ... clever people on this
list, eh?! 

Ch.


> (Fukui Rei's list of desiderata:)
> 
> > >  - author, location, date, etc.
> > >  - In what way is it encoded?
> > >  - Does it cover all the necessary characters?
> > >  - How about the quality?
> > >  - Any difficulty in installing and using it?
> > >  - Does it require a special editor in writing TeX sources?
> > >  - Does it require a special TeX program?
> > >  - Does it require a special pre-processor?
> > >  - Does it require a special dvi driver?
> > >  - Is latex2e supported? (Or, is latex209 supported?)
> > >  - Any bugs and, if any, how to avoid them?
> > > 
> > > To sum up, we need, or at least I need, a working knowledge that is
> > > helpful in actually using it. Whenever I look into the CTAN font
> > > directory, I am tempted to try to use all of them but so far actually
> > > tried only a few. Maybe toward the end of the next month I can have
> > > some free time to do so but I cannot promise ;-).
> > > 
> > > Fukui Rei

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ 

Dear Christina

I looked at the font-faq written by Liam Quin a few years ago and
since then I realized that we need a more detailed font faq that
contains the following information for each set of fonts.

 - author, location, date, etc.
 - In what way is it encoded?
 - Does it cover all the necessary characters?
 - How about the quality?
 - Any difficulty in installing and using it?
 - Does it require a special editor in writing TeX sources?
 - Does it require a special TeX program?
 - Does it require a special pre-processor?
 - Does it require a special dvi driver?
 - Is latex2e supported? (Or, is latex209 supported?)
 - Any bugs and, if any, how to avoid them?

To sum up, we need, or at least I need, a working knowledge that is
helpful in actually using it. Whenever I look into the CTAN font
directory, I am tempted to try to use all of them but so far actually
tried only a few. Maybe toward the end of the next month I can have
some free time to do so but I cannot promise ;-).

Fukui Rei

12th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: "Pedro J. Aphalo" 
Subject: (Fwd) Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

>       \item [{\tt comp.text.tex}], a newsgroup.
>    
>             To post messages, send to:
>    
>             info-tex@shsu.edu
>    \end{description}      
> 
> 
> At least, that's what I do if I post to c.t.t. ... which I haven't
> done in a long time, actually ... 
> 
I post messages directly to the newsgroup.
info-tex used to be (is?) a mail list, which had (has?) a gateway to the 
newsgroup. Now that CTAN at shsu.edu is dead, it would be better to 
check whether info-tex is still alive. If it is alive, then I would 
make clear that info-tex is a list, to which one can subscribe even if one 
does not have news access...

I hope this helps.

Pedro.

p.s.: I am an agronomist (now doing research on trees), but find most 
messages in ling-tex quite interesting! Many of the problems, like 
getting editors to accept manuscripts prepared with LaTeX seem to be 
similar in biological journals and linguistic journals.

===============================================================
 Pedro J. Aphalo
 Finnish Forest Research Institute
 Joensuu Research Station
 P.O. Box 68, FIN-80101 Joensuu, FINLAND
 mailto:pedro.aphalo@metla.fi
 http://cc.joensuu.fi/~aphalo/
 fax: +358 13 251 4567
 tel: +358 13 251 4406                         ,,,^..^,,,
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13th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ 

> Might I suggest:

> Since most of the TeX fonts out there are probably in use by at least one
> person, you might consider putting together a form asking the right
> questions, then soliciting entries for the fonts people use.  This ought to
> produce a sizable database without anyone having to install and test out a
> font just for evaluation purposes.

What a nice idea! I will post a draft questionnaire based on my last
message. 

Rei

14th February 1997: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: A linguistics + TeX FAQ 

Christina,

> I think you're already an extremely busy person ... perhaps when
> you're ready to start this daunting -- but yes, very necessary -- job,
> you might consider asking some of the keen fontophiles on the ling-tex
> list to perhaps join in a team effort.

Before posting my questionnaire, let me clarify one point. What I said
before came out not simply as a response to your message. I happen to
have a talk next month on TeX and multiligualism, which inevitably
involves topics on fonts. I've been thinking of this daunting job for
a couple of weeks for this personal reason. 

Rei

24th February 1997: BibTeX style file

From: Johannes Heinecke 
Subject: BibTeX style file

Hello,

is there a BibTeX-stylefile, which formats bibliography like the 
following:


books:
  King, Gareth: Colloquial Welsh. London: Routledge 1994

articles:
  Fife, James: The Impersonal Verbs in Welsh. In: BBCS 32 (1985) 92 - 126

incollections:
  Fife, James: A Visit to the Galapagos. In: Ball, Martin J.; Fife, James; 
  Poppe, Erich (eds.): Celtic Linguistics. Amsterdam: John Benjamins 
  Publishing Company 1990.


thank you very much for any hints. I currently use
chicago.bst and are about to take this as a basis for a new style, if there
is nothing better already available.

Johannes



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Humboldt-Universit"at zu Berlin
Philosophische Fakult"at II
Institut f"ur deutsche Sprache und Linguistik
Computerlinguistik                                        Tel: (030) 20192-553
J"agerstr. 10/11                                          Fax: (030) 20196-729
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26th February 1997: Re: BibTeX style file

From: David Dowty 
Subject: Re: BibTeX Stylefile 

Besides the package Emma Pease mentioned, you might take a look at
Goosens et al, _The_LaTeX_Companion_, if you have it or can borrow it.
p. 376ff lists about 25 bibtex styles and describes some of them.

Also, pp. 419ff describes the makebst program, which sounds a lot like
the custom-bib program Emma described.  (I haven't used either one, so
I don't know whether there is any important difference.) No site is
given for this package in particular, but several general latex sites
are listed in the back of the book.

David Dowty

26th February 1997: Re: BibTeX style file

From: Alexander Holt 
Subject: Re: BibTeX Stylefile 

> Also, pp. 419ff describes the makebst program, which sounds a lot like
> the custom-bib program Emma described.  (I haven't used either one, so
> I don't know whether there is any important difference.)

They are one and the same thing, and I also recommend it.

> No site is given for this package in particular, but several general
> latex sites are listed in the back of the book.

It's available from the Comprehensive TeX Archive Network (CTAN) and its
many mirrors in the directory

    macros/latex/contrib/supported/custom-bib/

(For a CTAN site list, see ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/CTAN.sites or
ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/CTAN.sites)

Lex Holt

4th March 1997: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

From: anderson@sapir.ling.yale.edu
Subject: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

For years I've used the set of tree-drawing macros that Emma Pease at
Stanford CSLI developed to make trees and such in LaTeX documents. The
version I have works fine on my NeXT with dvips....but now, for
various reasons, I find myself using a Macintosh(-clone) and TeXtures,
and the tree macros don't work (probably because the PostScript prolog
file is wrong for my HP 6MP).

Does anyone use these macros with TeXtures? What else do people use
to draw trees in TeXtures documents? There's probably been discussion
of this on this list, but of course it didn't seem relevant to me at
the time, so I didn't keep it....

--Steve Anderson

4th March 1997: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

anderson@sapir.ling.yale.edu writes:
> ...
> to draw trees in TeXtures documents? There's probably been discussion
> of this on this list, but of course it didn't seem relevant to me at
> the time, so I didn't keep it....

I don't recall ever having seen the subject come up! It's a good
question ... if there's no answer here, you might consider posting
your query to the comp.text.tex list. 

Uh ... now there has been some recent discussion about *that* on this
list ;-) 

> --Steve Anderson
> 

Could I ask you to post us a note when you find a solution eventually?
It would probably be a useful bit of info to have, and maybe we can
even find a way to put it into the macros inventory. 

Good luck!
Ch.

4th March 1997: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

From: Jim Blevins 
Subject: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

Hi Steve,

I can't remember if I ever used them with TeXtures, but the nifty tree
macros in Tim Van Zandt's PSTricks package (on the CTAN archives) work well
with NeXTTeX and Y&Y (Win) TeX.

The one drawback (on a system w/o Display PostScript) is that Dvi viewers
can't display raw PS, so you need to view the trees in a .ps file using
Ghostscript, or in a .pdf file using Acrobat.

There are some more portable graphics packages described in Ch 10 of _The
LaTeX Companion_, especially epic, and its derivatives eepic, ecltree,
etc., though I've never tried any of them.

Cheers,

-Jim

4th March 1997: Query on endnotes.sty (by John Lavagnino)

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Query on endnotes.sty (by John Lavagnino)

Folks, I'm dying out here!

I've spent so much time plugging away at trying to get something to
work I no longer have a clue what I'm doing (I thought I did have some
clues about two hours ago ... ).


I'm using endnotes.sty -- a great little package from John Lavagnino.

The required format has the endnotemark indented from the margin
1.5pc, followed by a period, an en-space, then the endnotetext.

This is not the problem. It's the note that preceds the others ... 

The first endnote is actually reserved for an acknowledgement: no
indent, no endnotemark, no period, no en-space. The subsequent notes
then of course start counting from #1, and in the required format. 

I've found a dozen ways to get the `acknote' flushed to the left,
without an endnotemark ... but the period consistently, persistently
prints ... and except for cases where the note starts with the letter
`T', the period's been overprinted ;-) But it's still there. I'm out
of ideas ... and very far from an understanding of what the heck I'm
doing ;-( 

Has anyone used endnotes.sty and found a way to do this? I'd be really
really grateful for any pointers ... 

Ch.

5th March 1997: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

From: Phil Branigan 
Subject: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

I've been happy for a couple of years with the qtree macros.  They start
from labelled bracket source in your document and they produce pure dvi
output so you can view them on most viewers.   The qtree.sty file is
available on CTAN.  
-- 

Phil Branigan
Dept. of Linguistics
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
A1B 3X9

(709) 737-3017
http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~branigan

5th March 1997: Re: Query on endnotes.sty (by John Lavagnino)

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: Query on endnotes.sty (by John Lavagnino) 

Christina,

Something like the following seems to work.

\def\preacknoteformat{\par\begingroup
  \parindent0pt\leavevmode}
\def\postacknoteformat{\vskip1pc\par\endgroup}
\long\def\acknote#1{\xdef\@theenmark{}\@endnotetext{\preacknoteformat
  #1\postacknoteformat}}

Best regards,

Rei

6th March 1997: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

From: doug@essex.ac.uk (Arnold D J)
Subject: Re: Drawing trees in TeXtures?

I know nothing about TeXtures, but there are a number of good tree
drawing environments for TeX and LaTeX.

If you want only binary and ternary trees, and no funny lines
(i.e. only branches, no labelled branches, no `improper trees'), then
the best is parsetree.sty (by Eirik Hektoen). These generate
dvi-viewable trees very easily.

I recommend this. I can send some instructions; the parsetree.sty is
available from the usual archives.

The jpsg tree macros are good for more complicated trees, as are the
ecl trees described in the LaTeX companion.

There is also a preprocessor (tree) by Greg Lee that generates TeX and
LaTeX output, this can be retrieved via archie/xarchie but (a) i don't
know if it works on Macs, and (b) for trees with sloping lines it uses
PS specials (like Emma Pease's tree-dvips approach).

I can give more details of these, and other approaches, but not
right now, and not systematically. 

I hope this helps
Doug 
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Wivenhoe Park,		     	   Tel: +44 1206 872084 (direct)
Colchester, CO4 3SQ, UK.     	   Fax: +44 1206 872085
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11th March 1997: 2 accents above 1 letter

From: Michael Covington 
Subject: 2 accents above 1 letter

In LaTeX, how do I put a circumflex above a macron above a letter?

-- 
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Artificial Intelligence Center                                           <><
The University of Georgia               Unless otherwise indicated, I am not
Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.         speaking officially for the University.

11th March 1997: Re: 2 accents above 1 letter

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Re: 2 accents above 1 letter

Michael Covington writes:
> 
> In LaTeX, how do I put a circumflex above a macron above a letter?

Hi, Michael!

If you're using WSUIPA at all, you've got the \diatop macro in the
macro def's.

If you aren't ... here's \diatop as I use it from the plain tex
version.

If \diatop is defined differently for 2e, could someone post that
here, so that it's available for comparison?

Thanks

Ch.

====     \diatop

\def\diatop[#1|#2]{\leavevmode{\setbox1=\hbox{{#1{}}}%
                     \setbox2=\hbox{{#2{}}}%
                     \dimen0=\ifdim\wd1>\wd2\wd1\else\wd2\fi%
                     \dimen1=\ht2\advance\dimen1by-1ex%
                     \setbox1=\hbox to1\dimen0{\hss#1\hss}%
                     \rlap{\raise1\dimen1\box1}%
                     \hbox to1\dimen0{\hss#2\hss}}}%
 

====

Now, for whatever reason, sometimes you have to switch the order of
which accent you're using first: so if the output is defective, first
thing is to switch them around. For your example:

   \diatop[\^|\=a]  
   
or

   \diatop[\=|\^a]


If anyone has a copy of TeXniques 5, the first published TUG
conference proceedings (Seattle 1987), I have a section given over to
\diatop (pp.11-12) [nothing like being able to cite some old thing you
wrote years and years ago!].

Actually ... if you *do* happen to use the old \diatop def'n from
WSUIPA, check that the \leavevmode command is in there at the top. I
think that this was a correction/refinement that come about perhaps
after the WSUIPA def's were distributed ... I know that it's not there
in the proceedings article.

The \diatop macro was originally designed by Jean-Pierre Paillet, a
linguistics professor at Carleton University at the time. He helped
get CJL, the Canadian Journal of Linguistics, switched over to TeX,
which was actually only in beta-release/testing at the university 
then -- ca. 1982--83. I must admit I don't know who it was who added
the \leavevmode refinement ... unless it was me in a moment of sudden
TeX-nical understanding ... ;-) Nah ... must've been someone else!

Anyways, have fun with it. It's also a way of getting accents above
and below a character, not just for putting two of them above. Hmmm
.. don't recall if I've ever used it to do two accents below a
char... 

Ch.

13th March 1997: Re: New version of COVINGTON.STY

From: Reinhard Zierke 
Subject: Re: New version of COVINGTON.STY

> I've just released a new version of COVINGTON.STY, my LaTeX macro package
> for linguistics.  This one supports a convenient way of putting multiple
> accents on a single letter.  You will need the two files 'covington.sty'
> and 'covington.tex', which are available by FTP from ai.uga.edu,
> directory /pub/tex, or by following links on my web page.  Enjoy!

I installed the new files on CTAN in the directory
tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/covington.
The obsolete version in tex-archive/macros/latex209/contrib/covington
has been removed.

Reinhard Zierke
for the CTAN team

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postmaster@informatik.uni-hamburg.de  Tel.: (040) 5494-2295/2276  Fax: -2241

19th March 1997: Greek

From: Michael Covington 
Subject: Greek

What is, at present, the most convenient way to set Classical Greek with TeX?

-- 
Michael A. Covington                http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/
Artificial Intelligence Center                                           <><
The University of Georgia               Unless otherwise indicated, I am not
Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.         speaking officially for the University.

19th March 1997

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Housekeeping ... 

I thought it might be handy to re-post the info on how to
subscribe/unsubscribe/change addresses and otherwise deal with being
on the ling-tex list.

Seems that other lists occasionally suffer from GET ME OFF-ititis,
which quickly leads to BUGGER-OFF-itis, and generally feelings of
LEAVE-ism ... ;-) 

Soooo ... keep this message around for a while ... 

Ch.

=============

To send a message to the administrator, address mail to:

      ling-tex-request@ifi.uio.no

This would cover subscribing, unsubscribing, changing your address,
and perhaps something odd happening to your mail. But it's not a chat
line so keep it short ;-)

To send messages to the list, address mail to:

      ling-tex@ifi.uio.no

That's all ... but it can be very frustrating if you lose the info. 

=============

Hope all is well with everyone ... and that spring is somewhere in
your neck of the woods ... sure isn't around here in Ottawa ;-(( 

Ch.

17th June 1997: Philologist seeks ... (fwd)

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Philologist seeks ... (fwd)

The following query has been posted to comp.text.tex (c.t.t.) and
after asking the sender's permission, is being forwarded to these two
lists, for possible comment and assistance.

As Mr. Parson's may not yet be subscribed, it would be helpful if
replies were posted to both this list *and* him directly (his address
appears below).

Ch.

==================

> ...
> Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:57:19 +0000 (GMT)
> From: jed@uclink.berkeley.edu (Jedediah David Parsons)
> Subject: Philologist seeks humanities bibliography styles
> 
> Greetings, all.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 1) I have been searching around but have not yet found a BibTeX style that
> would be suitable for use by a classicist (i.e., a guy or gal who studies
> Greek, Latin, etc.).  Only one feature is lacking from the ``chicago''
> style, and that is the proper (in my world) citation style for articles. 
> I need double quotes around the article title, and the following
> punctuation to go BEFORE the last double quote.  For example: 
> 
> 	Cole, T. (1969). ``The Saturnian Verse.'' YCS 21, 3--73.
> 
> 2) A related, but less important question is, Is there a style that knows
> not to italicize punctuation in book titles?  If I have the following
> entry,
> 
> 	Kiparsky, P. and G. Youmans (eds.) (1989). Phonetics and
> 	    Phonology, Volume 1: Rhythm and Meter. San Diego: HBJ.
> 
> my .bib entry must specify that the colon after `Volume 1' not be
> italicized .  
> 
> Can anyone advise me?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jed
> 
> -- 
> Jed Parsons:                                ``Lingua balbus, hebes ingenio
> Harpsichordist, Classicist, Homebrewer.        Viris doctis sermonem facio.''
> mailto:jed@uclink.berkeley.edu                               -- Archipoeta
> http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~jparsons/

17th June 1997: Apostrophe catastrophe ... ;-((

From: cthiele@ccs.carleton.ca (Christina Thiele)
Subject: Apostrophe catastrophe ... ;-((

I obviously am not _reading_ enough humanities literature ... 

My previous message contained the following:

> As Mr. Parson's may not yet be subscribed, 
               ^^

Oh ****!

... my only _other_ excuse is that this error is turning up so
frequently now in newspapers and magazines that ... well ...
subliminal indoctrination and all that ...

Please do address mail to Mr. Parsons ...  and spare castigating this
`Parson' ...                        ^

Ch. -- in an effort to pun away my typographic sins. 

25th June 1997: CTAN Submission -- linguex

From: Wolfgang.Sternefeld@uni-tuebingen.de

I have recently submitted a fileset to Dante's Comprehensive TeX Archive
Network.
Here is what Dante requires as additional information about it:

(a) dante.de
(b) linguex.tar.gz which unpacks to the directory linguex containing:
linguex.sty, linguex-doc.tex, and linguho.sty
(c) A tool to facilitate the formatting of linguist examples.
Automatically takes
care of example numbering, indentations,
indexed brackets, and the ``*'' in grammaticality judgments. linguho.sty
allows for automatic extraction of a handout from a file generated with
linguex.sty.
(d) macros/latex/contrib/supported

Thanx for your assistance.

Wolfgang Sternefeld
Seminar fuer Sprachwissenschaft
Wilhelmstr. 113
72074 Tuebingen
Tel. 07071-29-77304

26th June 1997: CTAN Submission -- linguex (fwd)

From: Reinhard Zierke (zierke@informatik.uni-hamburg.de)
Subject: CTAN Submission -- linguex (fwd)

> (a) dante.de
> (b) linguex.tar.gz which unpacks to the directory linguex containing:
> linguex.sty, linguex-doc.tex, and linguho.sty
> (c) A tool to facilitate the formatting of linguist examples.
> Automatically takes
> care of example numbering, indentations,
> indexed brackets, and the ``*'' in grammaticality judgments. linguho.sty
> allows for automatic extraction of a handout from a file generated with
> linguex.sty.
> (d) macros/latex/contrib/supported

Thanks for the submission.  I installed the files on ftp.dante.de as
suggested.

Reinhard Zierke
for the CTAN team

9th September 1997: RLA2C - Call for papers

From: jean-francois.bonastre@univ-avignon.fr
Subject: RLA2C - CALL FOR PAPERS - APPEL A COMMUNICATIONS

______________________________________________________________

2nd CALL FOR PAPERS - DEUXIEME APPEL A COMMUNICATIONS 
______________________________________________________________

             
       Colloque RLA2C      Workshop RLA2C
       --------------      --------------
      la Reconnaissance      Speaker 
              du Locuteur      Recognition
                     et ses      and its 
                 Applications      Commercial
                   Commerciales      and Forensic
 	      et Criminalistiques      Applications
	    
                     -----------------            		     
	       AVIGNON  20-23 avril/april 1998
	       
_______________________________________________________________

                       NEW   -   NOUVEAU
		       -----------------
		       
   SPEECHCOM SPECIAL ISSUE   -   NUMERO SPECIAL DE SPEECHCOM
                 FOR RLA2C       POUR RLA2C
_______________________________________________________________	

   SPONSOR : SEE/VOIR   http://lia.univ-avignon.fr/RLA2C   
_______________________________________________________________
	       
	       
               
                       Objectifs / Goal
                       ----------------
En    1994,   un   seminaire     In   1994,   a   specialised
specialise      sur       la     workshop     on    Automatic
reconnaisance automatique du     Speaker Recognition was held
locuteur   s'est   tenu    a     in  Martigny  (Switzerland).
Martigny  (Suisse).   Quatre     Four  years later, the  need
ans plus tard, le besoin est     is  felt  for a new overview
ressenti  de faire un  bilan     of the progress in the field
des progres accomplis et des     and  for discussions on  the
potentialites  des  methodes     practical  impact   of   the
actuelles d'un point de  vue     current    state-of-the-art,
pratique.                        from the commercial point of
Un  deuxieme objectif de  ce     view.
colloque  consiste a  mettre     A   second  goal   of   this
en evidence les specificites     workshop is to emphasize the
des             applications     specificities   of   speaker
criminalistiques    de    la     recognition in the  forensic
reconnaissance  du  locuteur     field and to investigate the
et      l'adequation     des     usefulness  of  the  various
differentes methodes pour ce     techniques for this type  of
type d'applications.             application.
                               
                  
                    Themes abordes / Topics
                    -----------------------

Vous etes invites a proposer     Contributions     in     the
des  contributions dans  les     following topics are welcome:
domaines suivants :              

 Caracterisation du locuteur  -  Speaker characterisation
    Verification du locuteur  -  Speaker verification
  Identification du locuteur  -  Speaker identification
       Approches dependantes  -  Text-dependent approaches
                    du texte
     Approches independantes  -  Text-independent
                    du texte     approaches  
    Systemes a texte prompte  -	 Text-prompted approaches
       Methodes manuelles ou  -  Manual / semi-automatic
            semi-automatique     methods
    Systemes de RAL robustes  -  Robust speaker recognition
 Evaluation des performances  -  Assessment of SR systems
                      en RAL
             Decision en RAL  -  Decision in speaker recognition
Systemes de RAL multi-modaux  -  Multimodality in SR
 Fusion d'information en RAL  -  Data fusion for SR
             Applications en  -  Forensic applications to SR
   criminalistique de la RAL	
   Applications commerciales  -  Commercial applications to SR
      Specificite des taches  -  Specificities of forensic
            criminalistiques     apllications
      Ergonomie des systemes  -  Ergonomy for SR systems
                      de RAL
		      
                               
          Comite Scientifique / Scientific Committee 
          ------------------------------------------

R. Andre-Obrecht	M. Blomberg		F. Bimbot
L.J. Boe		J.F. Bonastre		G. Chollet
D. Duez			G. Doddington		S. Furui
J.P. Haton		H. Hollien		J. Mason
H. Meloni		H. Ney			J. Peckham
D. Reynold		M. Rossi		A.E. Rosenberg	
J. Schoentgen		F. Soong		I. Trancoso		
J. Vaissiere
                               

        Comite d'Organisation / Organisation Committee
        ----------------------------------------------

Ce colloque est organise par     This  workshop is  organised
le  Groupe de Travail  " la     by  the Working Group  (GT1)
Caracterisation du  Locuteur     on   "Speaker  and  Language
et  de  la  Langue "  (GT-1)     Characterisation"       from
du       GDR/PRC-CHM (CNRS)      the      GDR/PRC-CHM (CNRS)

                represente par / represented by

                 Jean-Francois Bonastre, LIA     
             Frederic Bimbot, CNRS/ENST & IRISA
                  Regine Andre-Obrecht, IRIT
                     Bernard Teston, LPL

          avec la participation de / with the help of

Y.  Antoniades  (IRCGN),  P. Nocera,  F.  Bechet,  P. Gilles, 
                     T. Spriet (LIA).


 Soumission des communications / Submission of communications
 ------------------------------------------------------------

Quatre exemplaires en langue     Four   copies  of  the  full
anglaise  du  texte  complet     paper  (2000 to 3000 words),
des     propositions      de     written in English, must  be
communications  (de  2000  a     sent   together   with   the
3000 mots), accompagnes  par     submission   form   to   the
le formulaire de soumission,     secretariat of the workshop.
doivent  etre  adresses   au     The  document style for  the
secretariat.  Le  style  des     submission      and      the
propositions      et      le     submission   form   can   be
formulaire   de   soumission     loaded  from the  RLA2C  Web
peuvent  etre telecharges  a     site       (http://lia.univ-
partir  du  serveur  Web  de     avignon.fr/RLA2C).
RLA2C      (http://lia.univ-     Each   proposal   will    be
avignon.fr/RLA2C).               reviewed  by two members  of
Chaque   proposition    sera     the   Scientific  Committee,
evaluee par deux rapporteurs     who  will  synthesize  their
du  Comite Scientifique dont     comments   on  an  anonymous
les    commentaires   seront     sheet,   which    will    be
synthetises sur une fiche de     forwarded to the authors.
lecture  anonyme,  retournee     
aux auteurs.                     
                               

          Forme du colloque / Format of the workshop
          ------------------------------------------

Le  colloque est  divise  en     The workshop will be divided
quatre    parties,   chacune     into   4  parts,  each  part
composee    de   conferences     being  composed  of  invited
invitees,  de  presentations     conferences,            oral
orales  et  de presentations     communications,  and  poster
affichees.                       sessions.
En  plus  de  ces  sessions,     In  parallel, two additional
deux evenements particuliers     events   will   take   place
sont programmes :                during the workshop :
->    Une  session  speciale     ->     A   special   session
centree  sur  les  problemes     focused   on   deontological
deontologiques poses par les     aspects      of     forensic
applications                     applications.  This  session
criminalistiques.      Cette     will   consist  of   invited
session  sera constituee  de     talks    followed    by    a
conferences invitees  et  de     discussion.
tables rondes.                   ->   An  exhibition  session
->      Une    session    de     demonstrating        speaker
demonstration  des  systemes     recognition   systems   from
de     reconnaissance     du     research       laboratories,
locuteur, ouverte a tous les     commercial   companies    or
acteurs du domaine.              forensic centers.
En      particulier,     les     In   particular,  prototypes
prototypes realises dans  le     made  in  the  framework  of
cadre des differents projets     European projects are highly
europeens   pourront    etre     welcomed.  Stands  will   be
presentes. Des stands seront     provided to the exhibitors.
mis  a  la  disposition  des
exposants.
                               
             Actes            /        Proceedings
             -----                     -----------
     et langues officielles      and working languages
     ----------------------      ---------------------

Les  langues officielles  du     The working languages of the
seminaire sont l'anglais  et     workshop  are  English   and
le   francais.   Les   actes     French. The proceedings will
seront disponibles au  debut     be  made  available  at  the
du  colloque. Les textes des     beginning  of the  workshop.
communications        seront     The  communications will  be
rediges  en anglais.  Chaque     written  in  english.   Each
contribution   devra    etre     paper  will start by a short
precedee  d'un court  resume     abstract   (100  words)   in
en   français  (100   mots).     French. If some authors  are
Toutefois,  il sera  propose     unable  to provide  such  an
un service de traduction aux     abstract,    a   translation
auteurs   n'ayant   pas   la     facility will be offered  to
possibilite de rediger  eux-     them.
memes le resume en francais.


          Lieu du colloque / Location of the workshop
          -------------------------------------------

Ce  seminaire se tiendra  au     The workshop will take place
Centre d'Enseignement et  de     at the Centre d'Enseignement
Recherche en Informatique de     et     de    Recherche    en
l'Universite  d'Avignon   et     Informatique de l'Universite
des    Pays    de   Vaucluse     d'Avignon  et  des  Pays  de
(LIA/CERI).                      Vaucluse (LIA/CERI)

                               
                       Bourses / Grants
                       ----------------

Des      bourses      seront     Some  grants will be allowed
attribuees    a     quelques     to     a     few    students
chercheurs etudiants.            researchers.

                               
       Droits d'inscription (*) / Registration fees (*)
       ------------------------------------------------

                                Avant/Before       Apres/After
                                  01/02/98          01/02/98
 
Universitaire       Academic        2000 F            2300 F
  Magistrat        Magistrate

Universitaire       Academic        1700 F            2000 F
   Membre        Member of one
    d'une           of the
   societe        organising
organisatrice    institution

 Etudiant           Student         1200 F            1500 F

 Etudiant           Student          900 F            1200 F
  Membre         Member of one
   d'une             of the
  societe          organising
organisatrice     institution
   
 Industriel          Private        2500 F            3000 F
                     company
 
 Sponsor (**)      Sponsor (**)     5000 F            5000 F
 
Stand pour les       Stand for           Gratuit /Free(***)         
demonstrations      exhibitions
  
  
(*)    Incluant le diner conference/Including the conference-
                                                      dinner
(**)   Incluant un logo en couverture/Including a logo on the 
                                                   cover page
(***)  Dans la limite des places disponibles/Limited to the
                                              space available
                                               
                         
      
                Chronologie et Dates / Key dates
                --------------------------------     
 
        Date limite de soumission
             Submission dead-line	30 novembre/november 1997
	 
    Notification des acceptations
       Notification of acceptance	15 janvier/january 1998

Reception des articles definitifs
        Reception of final papers 	01 fevrier/february 1998

	   Programme preliminaire
            Preliminary programme	15 mars/march 1998
                   
	                 Colloque
                         Workshop	20-23 avril/april 1998
				     
				       
				       
                  Secretariat / Secretariat        
                  -------------------------        
 
                       Colloque RLA2C                      
                 Laboratoire d'Informatique    
                           CERI                     
                         BP 1228                       
                  84911 AVIGNON Cedex 9           
                          FRANCE    
			 
                Tel : (+33/0) 4 90 84 35 14      
                Fax : (+33/0) 4 90 84 35 01     
		
               E-mail : RLA2C@univ-avignon.fr                      
              http://lia.univ-avignon.fr/RLA2C                 

11th September 1997: Nifty tricks, anyone?

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Nifty tricks, anyone?

Since the list has been ... euh ... `quiescent', shall we say, for the
last many months, maybe talking about how we do certain things might
be interesting. ... something to let all you subscribers, especially
the new(er) ones know that the list is not totally dead ... or useless
... 

====

My usual strategy, esp. on long articles, is to first input copy-edits
to the text, format the text and the biblio, then format the examples
without PostScript add-ons (makes xdvi previewing easier), and then go
through one last time adding all the PS stuff. The onion layer
approach, in a word ;-)

Only problem is ... occasionally an ok-strategy from one layer can be
dealt with much better at the next layer ... 


I use Emma Pease' tree macros (tree-dvips) a lot, in conjunction with
Chris Manning's cm-lingmacros.

The current problem is to set up tables with small 2-line tree
diagrams in one of the columns:

           A                 A    B                ABC
                       or                 or  
        b     c              c    d               d   e


Some of the first-line elements also are enclosed in a box. Initially,
I was using \fbox ... but that adds width to the column(s), and the
second line of elements (and of course the association lines) get out
of balance. Also, the top of the \fbox was very close to the
horizontal rule which separated entries in the table. 

In short, it was `ok' ... but a lot of futzing and fine-tuning (e.g.,
using different \tabcolsep values for each setup) would be needed to
make things look better.

Fortunately, I have all the tree-dvips documentation printed out
... when I got to the final PS stage, I `rediscovered' the \nodebox
command ... it boxes up the elements I want, and adds no width to the
columns. 

So now I'm in the process of redoing the \fbox's ... and there must be
a hundred of so of these little beasties ;-( But at least the little
diagrams won't have unbalanced odd spaces between columns.

Ch.

25th September 97: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros

From: Nabil HATHOUT 
Subject: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros

Hello,

I have been using the lingmacros package for some time.  I some time
have a spacing problem with examples that are more than one line long
when the example number is too big (more than 2 digits) or when I use
large fonts (eg. in slides).  Is there a mean to modify (increase) the
amount of space that precedes the 2nd, 3rd, etc. lines of an example
in the \enumsentence and \eenumsentence commands?

Thank you in advance,
 
--Nabil Hathout               Château du Montet. Rue du Doyen Roubault
  CNRS-INaLF                      F-54500 Vandoeuvre-lès-Nancy. France
  tél : +33 (0)3 83 44 74 40        mailto:hathout@inalf.cnrs-nancy.fr
  fax : +33 (0)3 83 44 38 29             http://www.ciril.fr/~hathout/

25th September 97: Re: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros

From: cmanning@sultry.arts.usyd.edu.au (Christopher D. Manning)
Subject: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros

On 25 September 1997, Nabil HATHOUT wrote:
 > I have been using the lingmacros package for some time.  I some time
 > have a spacing problem with examples that are more than one line long
 > when the example number is too big (more than 2 digits) or when I use
 > large fonts (eg. in slides).  Is there a mean to modify (increase) the
 > amount of space that precedes the 2nd, 3rd, etc. lines of an example
 > in the \enumsentence and \eenumsentence commands?

There is.  In any sort-of-recent version of lingmacros.sty (dating since
1993 or so), you can set a value to increase the allocation of the label
width from the default, e.g.,

\widelabel=3pt

at the start of your file.  This is mentioned in the file.  See below.
Admittedly, it would be nicer if this happened more automatically.

Chris.


% \widelabel is defined for use when the width of the enumsentence or
% eenumsentence number is wider than 20pt (default labelwidth).  As a
% rule of thumb if your enumerated sentences are only 1 or 2 digit
% you don't need to worry.  At 3 digits, set \widelabel to 2.78pt at 4
% digits set to 7.78pt.

\newdimen\widelabel
\widelabel=0pt

25th September 97: Re: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros

From: Emma Pease 
Subject: Re: Q: spacing problem with lingmacros 

Nabil Hathout wrote:
>I have been using the lingmacros package for some time.  I some time
>have a spacing problem with examples that are more than one line long
>when the example number is too big (more than 2 digits) or when I use
>large fonts (eg. in slides).  Is there a mean to modify (increase) the
>amount of space that precedes the 2nd, 3rd, etc. lines of an example
>in the \enumsentence and \eenumsentence commands?

Yes there is.

% \widelabel is defined for use when the width of the enumsentence or
% eenumsentence number is wider than 20pt (default labelwidth).  As a
% rule of thumb if your enumerated sentences are only 1 or 2 digit
% you don't need to worry.  At 3 digits, set \widelabel to 2.78pt at 4
% digits set to 7.78pt.


To change widelabel do 

\widelabel=7.78pt

or whatever.  Actually to be correct one should use the latex command

\setlength{\widelabel}{7.78pt}

You can do this either in the beginning or just before the first
\enumsentence which needs a wider label (depending on whether you want
the wider label throughout or not).

Emma

25th September 97: Conversion scheme for LaTeX tables

From: "Harold F. Schiffman" 
Subject: Conversion scheme for LaTeX tables

I'm wondering whether anyone has developed a conversion routine to turn
LaTeX tables (and the various tabular environments) into html?  I use
Drakos' LATEX2HTML but when it comes to tables and tabular things, it
croaks and then produces a gif file, which isn't as legible as it would be
in html.  

Hal Schiffman

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Harold F. Schiffman				           Academic Director
Henry R. Luce Professor of Language Learning		Penn Language Center
Dept. of South Asia Regional Studies		   4th Floor, Lauder-Fischer
820 Williams Hall, Box 6305					    Box 6330
					
			University of Pennsylvania
			Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305

Phone:  (215) 898-5825	   		       	              (215) 898-6039
Fax:  (215) 573-2138				          Fax (215) 573-2139

Email:  haroldfs@ccat.sas.upenn			      plc@ccat.sas.upenn.edu
WWW:  http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~plc/

The Penn Language Center is a facility supporting language teaching in the
less-commonly-taught languages, as well as research in language pedagogy
and interdisciplinary language-related issues.  
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26th September 97: Re: Conversion scheme for LaTeX tables

From: David Dowty 
Subject: Re: Conversion scheme for LaTeX tables

Harold F. Schiffman writes (25 Sep 97):
 > I'm wondering whether anyone has developed a conversion routine to turn
 > LaTeX tables (and the various tabular environments) into html?  I use
 > Drakos' LATEX2HTML but when it comes to tables and tabular things, it
 > croaks and then produces a gif file, which isn't as legible as it would be
 > in html.  
 > 
 > Hal Schiffman
 > 	........

You might take a look at

	http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/davidm/

There you can download an alternative latex-to-html converter that
this web site owner (David Mosberger) has written, called dlh.  It
claims to be able to (among other things) translate latex tables to
HTML3 tables, not gifs. It doesn't translate everything in latex,
however, in particular, it is said not to do math well.  It's said to
be faster than latex2html.

I have not installed it yet (although I plan to) and don't vouch for
it.

David Dowty

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Office Phone    (614) 292-5400                  Oxley 209 
FAX             (614) 292-4273                  Ohio State University
Home Phone      (614) 299-1872                  1712 Neil Avenue
http://ling.ohio-state.edu/People/dowty.html    Columbus, OH 43210-1298 
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6th October 97: Dashed vlines in tabular? (2.09, not 2e)

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: dashed vlines in tabular? (2.09, not 2e)

Well, I'm having an un-fun Monday ;-(( 

Has anyone ever tried to set up a vertical dashed rule in {tabular},
using the @{} option? 

I've spent about an hour and a half flailing away at this, trying to
define a dashed vertical rule. I've flogged variations on the
horizontal leaders examples in the TeXbook (p.223) and also the thick
\Hline that Anita Hoover demonstrated in TTN 2,4 (p.8). The Companion
shows how to make a thick \vrule on p.107 but that uses one of the new
2e arguments, !{decl}. 

I'm just about ready to leave out the | in the {tabular} argument
entirely and wait till camera copy to overlay a dashed line from my
Letraline collection of rules-on-rolls ... (which is pretty much one
step above the bottom of the barrel: hand-drawing on the CRC ;-( ).

I flail well ... but flailing, by definition, is a fruitless
activity. And this article needs to be fruitful ... as in ready to
print later this week. 

Anyone got any ideas? 

Ch.

7th October 97: Re: Dashed vlines in tabular? (2.09, not 2e)

From: FUKUI Rei 
Subject: Re: dashed vlines in tabular? (2.09, not 2e)

There is a style file called `arydshln.sty'.

Rei

8th October 97: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

From: Nabil HATHOUT 
Subject: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

Hello,

I use QobiTree.tex to draw trees in a report and it seems that this
contrib causes TeX to reach its memory limit.  I get the following
error message when I compile the report:

! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory size=262141].
 \treeboxfourteen 
                            
l.1229 }
        
The report is made of 2 chapters, and the compilation goes fine when I
compile them separately.  So I am wondering whether there is a mean to
clean QuobiTree stack at the end of the first chapter or if do I have
to extend the TeX memory?

Thank you for your help,

--Nabil Hathout               Château du Montet. Rue du Doyen Roubault
  CNRS-INaLF                      F-54500 Vandoeuvre-lès-Nancy. France
  tél : +33 (0)3 83 44 74 40        mailto:hathout@inalf.cnrs-nancy.fr
  fax : +33 (0)3 83 44 38 29             http://www.ciril.fr/~hathout/

8th October 97: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

From: Alexis Dimitriadis 
Subject: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

  Usually when TeX runs out of memory it's because something sends it into an
infinite loop, not because it uses all its resources.  But it's a little
surprising that your chapters will process separately, so who knows.  

  Once its boxes and counters are allocated, Qtree ought to start on a clean
slate with every new tree.  Is it possible that you are doing something wrong,
and leaving material on its stack?

  I'd like to hear when you work it out; I am the author of qtree.sty, a
front end to QuobiTree, so I try to stay informed.

Alexis

9th October 97: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

From: David Dowty 
Subject: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

Auctex (which by the way is a latex package I highly recommend) offers
this useful help message when you get the "Tex overflow" error:

David Dowty
---------------------------------------------------------------------

"TeX has just run out of space and aborted its execution. Before you
panic, remember that the least likely cause of this error is TeX not
having the capacity to process your document.  It was probably an
error in your input file that caused TeX to run out of room. The
following discussion explains how to decide whether you've really
exceeded TeX's capacity and, if so, what to do. If the problem is an
error in the input, you may have to use the divide and conquer method
described previously to locate it. LaTeX seldom runs out of space on a
short input file, so if running it on the last few pages before the
error indicator's position still produces the error, then there's
almost certainly something wrong in the input file.

The end of the error indicator tells what kind of space TeX ran out
of. The more common ones are listed below, with an explanation of
their probable causes.

buffer size 
===========
Can be caused by too long a piece of text as the argument
of a sectioning, \\caption, \\addcontentsline, or \\addtocontents
command. This error will probably occur when the \\end{document} is
being processed, but it could happen when a \\tableofcontents,
\\listoffigures, or \\listoftables command is executed. To solve this
problem, use a shorter optional argument. Even if you're producing a
table of contents or a list of figures or tables, such a long entry
won't help the reader.

exception dictionary 
====================
You have used \\hyphenation commands to give TeX
more hyphenation information than it has room for. Remove some of the
less frequently used words from the \\hyphenation commands and insert
\\- commands instead.

hash size 
=========
Your input file defines too many command names and/or uses
too many cross-ref- erencing labels.

input stack size 
================
This is probably caused by an error in a command
definition. For example, the following command makes a circular
definition, defining \\gnu in terms of itself:

          \\newcommand{\\gnu}{a \\gnu} % This is wrong!

When TeX encounters this \\gnu command, it will keep chasing its tail
trying to figure out what \\gnu should produce, and eventually run out
of ``input stack''.

main memory size 
================
This is one kind of space that TeX can run out of when processing a
short file. There are three ways you can run TeX out of main memory
space: (1) defining a lot of very long, complicated commands, (2)
making an index or glossary and having too many \\index or \\glossary
commands on a single page, and (3) creating so complicated a page of
output that TeX can't hold all the information needed to generate it.
The solution to the first two problems is obvious: define fewer
commands or use fewer \\index and \\glossary commands. The third problem
is nastier. It can be caused by large tabbing, tabular, array, and
picture environments. TeX's space may also be filled up with figures
and tables waiting for a place to go.  To find out if you've really
exceeded TeX's capacity in this way, put a \\clearpage command in your
input file right before the place where TeX ran out of room and try
running it again. If it doesn't run out of room with the \\clearpage
command there, then you did exceed TeX's capacity.  If it still runs
out of room, then there's probably an error in your file.  If TeX is
really out of room, you must give it some help. Remember that TeX
processes a complete paragraph before deciding whether to cut the
page. Inserting a \\newpage command in the middle of the paragraph,
where TeX should break the page, may save the day by letting TeX write
the current page before processing the rest of the paragraph. (A
\\pagebreak command won't help.) If the problem is caused by
accumulated figures and tables, you can try to prevent them from
accumulating---either by moving them further towards the end of the
document or by trying to get them to come out sooner.  If you are
still writing the document, simply add a \\clearpage command and forget
about the problem until you're ready to produce the final version.
Changes to the input file are likely to make the problem go away.

pool size 
=========
You probably used too many cross-ref-erencing \\labels and/or defined
too many new command names. More precisely, the labels and command
names that you define have too many characters, so this problem can be
solved by using shorter names. However, the error can also be caused
by omitting the right brace that ends the argument of either a counter
command such as \\setcounter, or a \\newenvironment or \\newtheorem
command.

save size 
=========
This occurs when commands, environments, and the scopes of
declarations are nested too deeply---for example, by having the
argument of a \\multiput command contain a picture environment that in
turn has a \\footnotesize declaration whose scope contains a \\multiput
command containing a ....")

9th October 97: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

From: Dirk Kussin 
Subject: Re: Q: memory problem with QobiTree

Auctex (which I also highly recommend) is not a Latex package
(i.e. style file) but:

"AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo."

Here, "package" means package for the Emacs editor.

See http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/
for more information. There you can also get the programs.

Best regards
  Dirk

David> Auctex (which by the way is a latex package I highly recommend)
David> offers this useful help message when you get the "Tex overflow"
David> error:

-- 
Dirk Kussin                 dirk@uni-paderborn.de     
Fachbereich 17 Mathematik   Raum D2.323
Universität-GH Paderborn    Tel. (+49) (5251) 60-2636
D-33095 Paderborn --------- http://www-math.uni-paderborn.de/~dirk/

10th October 97: Two queries

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Two queries (fwd)

The following has popped up in the typo-l (typography) list. 

I've taken the liberty of forwarding it to this list as it's possible
someone here has perhaps some experience or information to help the
fellow (Roy Johnson). 

Post a reply here as well as to Roy directly. 

Ch.

==================
Roy Johnson writes:
> From owner-typo-l@listserv.hea.ie  Fri Oct 10 10:49:13 1997
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a 
> Message-ID:  
> Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:50:12 +0100
> Reply-To: TYPO-L Discussion of Type and Typographic Design
>               
> Sender: TYPO-L Discussion of Type and Typographic Design
>               
> From: Roy Johnson 
> Subject:      Two queries
> To: TYPO-L@listserv.hea.ie
> 
>     A colleague and I are working on texts which involve the use
>     of foreign languages and a discussion of their representation
>     as sounds. For this we need to show accented characters, and
>     if possible the International Phonetic Alphabet.
> 
>     She is working in WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (I am in Word 97
>     for Windows) and she appears to have more access to foreign
>     characters than I do.
> 
>     1. Are foreign characters buried somewhere in Word that
>        I'm not aware of? [I've searched in HELP and checked
>        INSERT and SYMBOLS.] And if they're not *in* Word, is
>        it possible to download them from somewhere?
> 
>     2. Is the International Phonetic Alphabet available
>        anywhere in a form which can be added to Word -
>        perhaps as a set of fonts?
> 
> --
> Roy Johnson
> Manchester UK

10th October 97: EuroTeX98, CALL for paper (check deadline!)

From: Bernard GAULLE 

                               (deuxieme partie en francais)

 =======================================
|              EuroTeX'98               |
|                                       |
|     Xth European TeX Conference       |
 =======================================

Programme Committee
===================

Thierry BOUCHE -- UJF, Grenoble, France 
Andre DESNOYERS -- IBP, Paris, France 
Robin  FAIRBAIRNS -- Cambridge, UK
Daniel  FLIPO -- Maths, Lille, France 
Bernard  GAULLE -- IDRIS, Paris, France  
Michele  JOUHET (President) -- CERN, Geneva, Switzerland 
Irina A.  MAKHOVAYA -- Mir Publishers, Moscow, Russia  
Tomasz  PRZECHLEWSKI  --  University of Gdansk, Poland  
Christophe  PYTHOUD -- LING, Lausanne, Switzerland 
Bernd  RAICHLE -- Esslingen, Germany
Philip  TAYLOR -- RHBNC, University of London, UK
Gabriel  VALIENTE -- Technical University of Catalonia, Catalonia, Spain 
Kees  VAN DER LAAN -- Garnwerd, The Netherlands 
Jirí  ZLATUSKA -- Masaryk University, Brno, Czech Republic

Local Organisation: Jacques Andre (President) -- Irisa, Rennes, France
==================  Barbara Auzeby -- Blueprint, St-Germain en Laye, France
                    Eric Picheral -- CRI Univ. Rennes 1, France 

Conference Chairman: Michel Goossens -- CERN, Geneva, Switzerland 


Call for Papers
===============

GUTenberg is organizing EuroTeX'98 which will be a part of WEPT'98 the
second Week on Electronic documents and Typography 
 including also the following conferences
EP'98 (Electronic Publishing), RIDT'98 (Raster Imaging and digital 
Typography) and PODDP'98 (Principles of Digital Document Processing).
EuroTeX'98 will be the place where the principal actors in the field of 
scientific and technical publishing, especially those using TeX as 
typesetting engine, will meet. The conference will be held in the corsair 
town of St Malo (Brittany,  France) from Sunday morning March 29th to 
Tuesday evening March 31st 1998.

Authors are invited to submit proposals for article(s) in English or in
French, which will be reviewed by the Programme Committee in accordance
with the schedule below. The first page should contain the title of the
paper and the full name, affiliation and contact details (including
email address) for each author; the expected time required for oral
presentation should also be specified.

Calendar
========
15 October 1997 	: Deadline for submission of abstracts. 
1 November 1997 	: Notification of acceptance or rejection.
15 December 1997 	: Deadline for draft version of the papers.
9 January 1998  	: Committee response.
1 February 1998 	: Deadline for final version of the papers.
29-31 March 1998 	: Conference EuroTeX'98.

An incomplete list of possible subjects follows.
- Tools, editors, viewers, print drivers for TeX.
- Specific formats.
- LaTeX packages.
- World archives, CTAN servers, maintenance, validation, enhancements.
- Multi-lingual tools, formats and documents.
- Fonts.
- Standardization.
- Multimedia publications.
- Page models, style sheets, DSSL, ...
- PostScript, PDF, SGML, HTML, XML, MathML applications.
- Graphics, sound and pictures.
- Editorial chain.
- Internet explorers.
- Editorial, bibliographic and textual databases.
- Revisable documents.
- Copyright questions with respect to scientific and technical
  publications.
- Journalism, publicity, works of art, printing.
- Scientific publications: tools for mathematics, physics, chemistry,
  etc.
- What future for paper publication versus electronic publication?
- Possibilities offered by the new digital media: CD-ROM, Zip, etc.
- Publication and consultation at home or in the office.
- Conversion of proprietary formats.
- LaTeX versus other products from competitors.

Proposals should be transferred using FTP to our server as follows:
ftp cadd.cern.ch
user   anonymous
password   your e-mail address 
cd /pub/cern/DTPs/Eurotex

then create an author-specific directory. After having copied their
file(s) to this directory the authors are requested to send a message to
the Chair of the Programme Committee advising her that the transfer has
taken place (michele.jouhet@cern.ch).

The authors whose articles are accepted will receive instructions for
the preparation of the final version of their paper. Accepted papers
will be published in the conference proceedings, which will be available
at the conference.

For further information in English or French, please write to:
Michele  JOUHET -- CERN/AS, 1211 Geneve 23, Suisse
(michele.jouhet@cern.ch)
Bernard  GAULLE -- IDRIS, France (gaulle@idris.fr)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 =======================================
|              EuroTeX 98               |
|                                       |
|    Xeme Conference TeX Europeenne     |
 =======================================

Comite de Programme
===================
Thierry BOUCHE -- UJF, Grenoble, France 
Andre DESNOYERS -- IBP, Paris, France 
Robin  FAIRBAIRNS -- Cambridge, Royaume-Uni
Daniel  FLIPO -- Maths, Lille, France 
Bernard  GAULLE -- IDRIS, Paris, France  
Michele  JOUHET (Presidente) -- CERN, Geneva, Suisse
Irina A.  MAKHOVAYA -- Mir Publishers, Moscow, Russie
Tomasz  PRZECHLEWSKI  --  Universite de Gdansk, Pologne  
Christophe  PYTHOUD -- LING, Lausanne, Suisse
Bernd  RAICHLE -- Esslingen, Allemagne
Philip  TAYLOR -- RHBNC, Universite de Londres, Royaume-Uni
Gabriel  VALIENTE -- Universite technique de Catalogue, Catalogne, Espagne
Kees  VAN DER LAAN -- Garnwerd, Pays-Bas
Jirí  ZLATUSKA -- Universite de Masaryk, Brno, Republique Techeque

Organisation locale : Jacques Andre (President) -- Irisa, Rennes, France
===================   Barbara Auzeby -- Blueprint, St-Germain en Laye, France
                      Eric Picheral -- CRI Univ. Rennes 1, France 

President du colloque : Michel Goossens -- CERN, Geneve, Suisse 

Appel a contributions
=====================
GUTenberg organise EuroTeX'98 qui se tiendra dans le cadre de la seconde
semaine WEDT (Week on Electronic documents and Typogrpahy) 
 et ou auront lieu les colloques EP'98 
(Electronic Publishing), RIDT'98 (Raster Imaging and digital Typography)
et PODDP'98 (Principles of Digital Document Processing).
EuroTeX'98 regroupera les principaux acteurs dans le
domaine de la publication scientifique et technique, utilisant
principalement un << moteur >> TeX comme outil de mise en page. La
conference aura lieu a St Malo (Bretagne, France), ville des corsaires :
du dimanche matin 29 mars au mardi soir 31 mars 1998.

Les auteurs sont invites a soumettre leur proposition d'article(s) en
francais ou en anglais, elles seront analysees par le comite de
programme. La premiere page comprendra le titre de l'article, le nom et
les coordonnees du ou des auteurs (adresse professionnelle, electronique,
etc.), ainsi que le temps approximatif de la presentation orale. Ces
propositions parviendront au comite selon le calendrier suivant :

Calendrier
==========
15 Octobre 1997	 : Soumission des resumes.
1 Novembre 1997  : Notification d'acceptation ou de rejet.
15 Decembre 1997 : Reception de la version preliminaire de l'article.
9 Janvier 1998 	 : Reponse du comite de programme.
1 Fevrier 1998 	 : Reception de la version finale de l'article.
29-31 Mars 1998  : Conference EuroTeX'98.


Une liste non exhaustive des sujets :
- outils, editeurs, visualiseurs, pilotes d'impression pour moteurs TeX ;
- formats specifiques ;
- extensions LaTeX ;
- archives mondiales, serveurs CTAN, maintenance, validation,
  enrichissement ;
- multilinguisme des outils, des formats et des documents ;
- polices de caracteres ;
- standardisation ;
- publications multimedia ; 
- modeles de page, feuille de style, DSSSL, ...
- applications PostScript,  PDF, SGML, HTML, XML, MATHML, ...
- graphiques, son et images ;
- chaine editoriale ;
- explorateurs Internet ;
- bases de donnees editoriales, bibliographiques et textuelles ;
- documents revisables ;
- questions de droit relatives aux publications scientifiques  et
  techniques ;
- journalisme, publicite, ouvrages d'art, imprimerie ;
- problemes de la publication scientifique : outils pour les
  mathematiques, la physique, la chimie, etc.;
- quel avenir pour la publication papier versus reseau ;
- possibilites offertes par les nouveaux media numeriques : Cederom, zip,
  etc.;
- publication et consultation, au bureau et a la maison ;
- conversion de formats proprietaires ;
- LaTeX face a d'autres produits concurrentiels.


Les propositions seront transmises par FTP sur le serveur :
ftp cadd.cern.ch
user :  anonymous
password : your e-mail address
cd /pub/cern/DTPs/Eurotex

y creer un repertoire specifique au nom de l'auteur qui contiendra
le(les) fichier(s). Cette manoeuvre faite, les auteurs sont invites a
envoyer un message  a la presidente du comite de programme annoncant ce
transfert (michele.jouhet@cern.ch).

Les auteurs dont l'article aura ete accepte seront informes en temps
utile de la forme sous laquelle ils devront envoyer leur version
definitive. Les articles acceptes seront publies dans les actes
distribues lors de la conference. 

Pour tout renseignement complementaire en francais ou en anglais, vous
pouvez vous adresser a : 
Michele  JOUHET -- CERN/AS, 1211 Geneve 23, Suisse
(michele.jouhet@cern.ch)
Bernard  GAULLE -- IDRIS, France (gaulle@idris.fr)

12th October 97: Two queries

From: cmanning@sultry.arts.usyd.edu.au (Christopher D. Manning)
Subject: Two queries (fwd)

Roy Johnson  wrote:
 >     1. Are foreign characters buried somewhere in Word that
 >        I'm not aware of? [I've searched in HELP and checked
 >        INSERT and SYMBOLS.] And if they're not *in* Word, is
 >        it possible to download them from somewhere?

What "foreign" characters you have depends entirely on what fonts are
installed (which you can see with Insert -> Symbols).  But unless you've
installed anything special, you'll only have ISO 8859 symbols (basic
accented vowels and the like).

 > >     2. Is the International Phonetic Alphabet available
 > >        anywhere in a form which can be added to Word -
 > >        perhaps as a set of fonts?

Yes - there are free IPA Truetype fonts that you can download from the
Summer Institute of Linguistics:

	http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore-ipa.html

(These fonts also include a quite comprehensie set of diacritic marks.)

There are then also commercial Truetype and Postscript IPA fonts
available from a number of sources that you can use, including SIL,
Adobe, Monotype, Y&Y, ...

Chris Manning

12th October 97: Re: Two queries

From: "Harold F. Schiffman" 
Subject: Re: Two queries (fwd)

>  > >     2. Is the International Phonetic Alphabet available
>  > >        anywhere in a form which can be added to Word -
>  > >        perhaps as a set of fonts?
> 
> Yes - there are free IPA Truetype fonts that you can download from the
> Summer Institute of Linguistics:
> 
> 	http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore-ipa.html
> 

Yes, but is there an IPA Tex font available somewhere?

H. Schiffman

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12th October 97: Re: Two queries

From: Anshuman Pandey 
Subject: Re: Two queries (fwd)

On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Harold F. Schiffman wrote:

> Yes, but is there an IPA Tex font available somewhere?

Yes, there are three: WSUIPA, TSIPA, and TIPA. Of these TIPA is the most
extensive and aesthetic of the three. The WSUIPA font is somewhat old;
TSIPA has been superceded by TIPA. These are all found on CTAN:

	WSUIPA	/fonts/wsuipa   also /macros/latex/contrib/supported/ipa/
				for LaTeX2e style and font definition
				files
	TSIPA	/fonts/tsipa
	TIPA	/fonts/tipa	there is a PostScript format of the manual 
				in this directory. TIPA also supports the
				use of Times Roman for the IPA.

I've installed all three without difficulties.

Regards,
Anshuman Pandey
University of Washington

14th October 97: Summary of PCs + IPA from typo-p list

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Summary of PCs + IPA from typo-p list

With reference to the query from the typo-l list which I'd forwarded
to this list -- the one about WP5.1 and IPA fonts ... here's a summary
of what's been posted to typo-l and to me directly:

===========

Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:45:18 -0400
From: Robb Hill 
Subject:      Re: Two queries

Hello,

The site listed below is a location that you may download IPA fonts.
http://www.sil.org/FTP/FONTS/

Also check out
http://www.sil.org

http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipafonts.html

===========

Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:42:15 +0200
From: Gerhard Kordmann 
Subject:      IPA fonts


        An excellent phonetic font package can be found at the site
        of the SIL. The complete international phonetic alphabet, in
        three styles (like Roman, Arial, Courier) as TTF and PS1.
        via ftp:
        ftp://ftp.sil.org/fonts/win/silip12a.exe
        or in the directory (see 00INDEX.TXT for contents)
        http://www.sil.org/FTP/FONTS/WIN/

        This will work for WinWord, don't know about WP's format.

                Regards, Gerhard

TRADOS GmbH, Hacklaenderstr. 17, D-70184 Stuttgart, Germany
mailto:gerhard@trados.com       Tel: +49/711/16877-0
http://www.trados.com           Fax: +49/711/16877-50

===========

Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:52:19 -0400
From: Jonathan Paterson 
Subject:      Re: Two queries

At 12:50 1997-10-10 +0100, you wrote:
>    A colleague and I are working on texts which involve the use
>    of foreign languages and a discussion of their representation
>    as sounds. For this we need to show accented characters, and
>    if possible the International Phonetic Alphabet.
>
>    She is working in WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (I am in Word 97
>    for Windows) and she appears to have more access to foreign
>    characters than I do.

She does, but IPA symbols are not included in WP 5.1. It is possible to
install PostScript fonts or use with a PostScript printer, but they don't
appear in the editing screen, so it would probably be very difficult to work
with IPA fonts in WP 5.1.  There is provision for a user-defined character
set. I have never tried to use it, so I don't know how it works or what
appears in the editing screen.


>    1. Are foreign characters buried somewhere in Word that
>       I'm not aware of? [I've searched in HELP and checked
>       INSERT and SYMBOLS.] And if they're not *in* Word, is
>       it possible to download them from somewhere?

You have to install appropriate fonts. Conversion between WP 5.1 and Word
will be a headache, if it works at all.

>    2. Is the International Phonetic Alphabet available
>       anywhere in a form which can be added to Word -
>       perhaps as a set of fonts?

Besides the SIL fonts, there is a more up-to-date set of IPA fonts called
IPAPhon at
        http://www.chass.utoronto.ca:8080/~rogers/fonts.html
(both PostScript and TrueType for Mac, but only TrueType for Windows).
IPAPhon is free for university use, but shareware for those of us who aren't
rich enough to study full time.

Jonathan Paterson
--------------------------
Editing - Translation - Typography
--------------------------
paterson@mlink.net
http://www.mlink.net/~paterson/

===========

Return-Path: 
Subject: Re: Two queries (fwd)
To: cthiele@CCS.CARLETON.CA (Christina Thiele)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: Roy@mantex.demon.co.uk

Roy, you should both move to Windows.  In Windows, fonts are handled
by the operating system rather than by the individual software packages,
and all fonts are accessible from all software.  If you need more
than the original IBM PC character set, DOS is not the operating
system for you.

In Windows 3.1 you can use the Character Map applet to view all the
characters of every font.  My recollection is that Character Map
doesn't come with Windows 95 -- I may be wrong -- but if so, just
copy it over from a Windows 3.1 machine.

Further, in Windows (any version), you can use the Alt key to type
characters by code (e.g., press Alt, type 0 1 2 3, release Alt;
the initial 0 is important).  Or you can select characters in Character
Map and copy them to the clipboard.

Most Windows fonts have quite a few foreign language characters.

You can also get a full International Phonetic Alphabet from SIL
(Summer Institute of Linguistics -- I think they're at
http://www.sil.org).  And if I'm not mistaken, some of the SIL
IPA fonts are on ftp://ftp.ai.uga.edu (follow the directory structure).

Michael A. Covington                       http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc
Associate Director, Artificial Intelligence Center
The University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.

==============
==============
==============

So ... I think that pretty much exhausts the subject, as far as PCs
and the IPA go ;-) 

As for TeX IPA fonts, Anshuman Pandey seems to have covered the WSUIPA
--> TSIPA --> TIPA progression that many TeX linguistics users have
made. 

Thanks to everyone for all the assistance!

Ch.

15th October 97: Re: Summary of PCs + IPA from typo-p list

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Re: Summary of PCs + IPA from typo-p list (fwd)

Well -- and I thought we'd posted the final word on PCs and IPA fonts
;-)

While the previous postings have been about what's available and where
to get it, below are some comments on experiences using fonts in this
context by Chet Creider, one of my net-friends.

... and I guess I'd better not try to preface this by saying `yet more
final words on the subject' ... ;-))

Ch.

22nd October 97: Multilingual package for LaTeX2e

From: Javier Bezos 
Subject: Multilingual package for LaTeX2e

A friend of mine was very troubled because he could not write
transliterated Hebrew texts (the ISO standard has lots of diacritics).
At that time, I was working on a Spanish style for LaTeX2e and the idea
to develop a more general package occurs to me. Now this package
is at CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/polyglot/
(I decided to include a *neither documented nor supported* file which 
just provides Hebrew diacritical marks.) The package has tools for
'ligatures', translations, syncronized writing to files, font
encodings, etc. Thus, you may create a full language style in an hour. 

I would be thankful for any comments on this package.

Javier Bezos

Spain

22nd October 97: linguex files

From: Wolfgang.Sternefeld@uni-tuebingen.de

I just sendan update of the linguex fileset to Dante's Comprehensive TeX
Archive Network.
Here is what Dante requires as additional information about it:

(a) dante.de
(b) linguex.tar.gz which unpacks to the directory linguex containing:
linguex.sty, linguex-doc.tex, and linguho.sty
(c) A tool to facilitate the formatting of linguist examples.
Automatically takes
care of example numbering, indentations,
indexed brackets, and grammaticality judgments. linguho.sty allows for
automatic extraction of a handout from a file generated with linguex.sty.
(d) macros/latex/contrib/supported

Thanx very much for your assistance.

Wolfgang Sternefeld
Seminar fuer Sprachwissenschaft
Wilhelmstr. 113
72074 Tuebingen
Tel. 07071-29-77304

28th October 1997: EuroTeX'98: last Call for Papers

From: "Philip Taylor (RHBNC) " 
Subject: EuroTeX'98: last Call for Papers

Final Call for Papers: the 1998 EuroTeX Conference at St Malo, France.
  
Dear Colleague -- apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message,
but time is short and we must circulate as many TeX lists as possible before
the Call for Papers closes.  Please see 
  
	http://www.ens.fr/gut/manif/eurotex98/
  
for the official announcement of EuroTeX'98; the Call for Papers closes on
Monday 3rd November 1997.
  
Philip Taylor, for the EuroTeX'98 Programme Committee.

8th November 1997: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

From: "Jedediah D. Parsons" 
Subject: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

Greetings, all.

I'm using Michael Covington's covington.sty.  Question: how do I get example 
numbers to line up with the upperleft corner of a tabular using Covington's 
examle environment.

The following produces a table with the examle number vertically centered to 
the left of it (not what I want):


\begin{example}

\begin{tabular}...

% tabular stuff

\end{tabular}

\end{example}

Can anyone help out?

Thanks in advance,

Jed

-- 
Jed Parsons:                                ``Lingua balbus, hebes ingenio
Harpsichordist, Classicist, Homebrewer.        Viris doctis sermonem facio.''
mailto:jed@uclink.berkeley.edu                               -- Archipoeta
http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~jparsons/

9th November 1997: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

From: "Christopher D. Manning" 
Subject: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

On 8 November 1997, Jedediah D. Parsons wrote:
 > I'm using Michael Covington's covington.sty.  Question: how do I get
 > example numbers to line up with the upperleft corner of a tabular
 > using Covington's examle environment.
 > 
 > The following produces a table with the examle number vertically
 > centered to the left of it (not what I want):
 > 
 > \begin{example}
 > \begin{tabular}...
 > % tabular stuff
 > \end{tabular}
 > \end{example}

I haven't used Covington's macros, but would imagine that all you would
need is to write

	\begin{tabular}[t]{whatever}

This is a generally useful thing to know about tabular environments --
if you don't do this you always get the centre alignment you describe.

Cheers,

Chris.

10th November 1997: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

Christopher D. Manning writes:
> 
> On 8 November 1997, Jedediah D. Parsons wrote:
>  > I'm using Michael Covington's covington.sty.  Question: how do I get
>  > example numbers to line up with the upperleft corner of a tabular
>  > using Covington's examle environment.
>  > 
>  > The following produces a table with the examle number vertically
>  > centered to the left of it (not what I want):
>  > 
>  > \begin{example}
>  > \begin{tabular}...
>  > % tabular stuff
>  > \end{tabular}
>  > \end{example}
> 
> I haven't used Covington's macros, but would imagine that all you would
> need is to write
> 
> 	\begin{tabular}[t]{whatever}
> 
> This is a generally useful thing to know about tabular environments --
> if you don't do this you always get the centre alignment you describe.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris.
> 

I use cm-lingmacros.sty (from the above-cited Chris Manning ;-) ) and
the [t] option is indeed the solution to pushing the table to the
[t]op of the example box. As I recall, I had to hunt through various
LaTeX publications before I finally realised what I needed to do the
trick. 

So give it a shot -- and let us know if [t] functions as one would
expect!

Ch.

10th November 1997: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

From: Jedediah David Parsons 
Subject: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Christina Thiele wrote:

> Christopher D. Manning writes:
> > 
> > On 8 November 1997, Jedediah D. Parsons wrote:
> >  > I'm using Michael Covington's covington.sty.  Question: how do I get
> >  > example numbers to line up with the upperleft corner of a tabular
> >  > using Covington's examle environment.
> >  > 
> >  > The following produces a table with the examle number vertically
> >  > centered to the left of it (not what I want):
> >  > 
> >  > \begin{example}
> >  > \begin{tabular}...
> >  > % tabular stuff
> >  > \end{tabular}
> >  > \end{example}
> > 
> > I haven't used Covington's macros, but would imagine that all you would
> > need is to write
> > 
> > 	\begin{tabular}[t]{whatever}
> > 
> > This is a generally useful thing to know about tabular environments --
> > if you don't do this you always get the centre alignment you describe.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Chris.
> > 
> 
> I use cm-lingmacros.sty (from the above-cited Chris Manning ;-) ) and
> the [t] option is indeed the solution to pushing the table to the
> [t]op of the example box. As I recall, I had to hunt through various
> LaTeX publications before I finally realised what I needed to do the
> trick. 
> 
> So give it a shot -- and let us know if [t] functions as one would
> expect!
> 
> Ch.
> 
> 

Yes, it certainly does.  I feel silly, since I supposedly knew about [t].
Thanks to everyone for setting me straight.  (My paper looks much better
now :^)

Jed

Jed Parsons:                                ``Lingua balbus, hebes ingenio
Harpsichordist, Classicist, Homebrewer.        Viris doctis sermonem facio.''
mailto:jed@uclink.berkeley.edu                               -- Archipoeta
http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~jparsons/

10th November 1997: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

From: Christina Thiele 
Subject: Re: Alignment problem with covington.sty: tabular as example

Jedediah David Parsons writes:
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> Yes, it certainly does.  I feel silly, since I supposedly knew about [t].
> Thanks to everyone for setting me straight.  (My paper looks much better
> now :^)
> 
> Jed
> 
> Jed Parsons:                                ``Lingua balbus, hebes ingenio
> Harpsichordist, Classicist, Homebrewer.        Viris doctis sermonem facio.''
> mailto:jed@uclink.berkeley.edu                               -- Archipoeta
> http://www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU/~jparsons/
> 


Don't be. The `joy' of TeX is that you can go past stuff in the books
for years and years and one day it suddenly makes sense. 

Just doing tables can be a major source of `joy' ;-))

If anyone's interested, maybe we could start a thread on `table
tricks' ... ;-) 

Other options I find useful in doing tables (esp. when it's tables
that are really tree diagrams) is resetting the \tabcolsep to make a
really wide tree fit the page width. 

And there are a bunch of new options in 2e that look pretty
interesting too. 

I use \rlap a lot, so that nodes such as A_i or X' are centered (I use
Emma Pease' tree-dvips) under the letter alone ... try it and see how
the diagonal lines compare ...

Anyone else got some favourite strategies?

Ch.

22nd November 1997: Is this list happening?

From: adavis@netpci.com
Subject: Is this list happening?

Is this list happening?

I have been lurking awhile, hardly noticing the quazi-existence of this
list.  I am not a linguist, but a Zoologist.  I have been using TeX/LaTeX in
a project of mine---a lexicon of animal names in the dialects of Chuuk
Lagoon and associated atolls.  Several aspects of the project's
implementation might be of at least passing interest to linguists.

A computer was given to me as a gift, but, because of lack of funds, I had
no software.  Two main problems echoed in my mind throughout the project:
how to represent the data on a computer, and manipulate it, and how to sort
the list, which features an orthography, developed by scholars, with four
characters are not part of the english alphabet.  

The decision was made to use the free-form band format used at the
University of Hawaii for linguistic data.  A text editor would be needed.  A
major problem was lack of a good editor.  I was able to get ahold of a demo
editor that was pretty good, but I could not afford the cost of a
"registered copy" along with the manual that would enable me to use a macro
language for advanced manipulation, or even to write macros to enter the
four vowels with accent marks that characterize Chuukic.  

Luckily the Free Software Foundation (FSF) donated a copy of the emacs editor.
The documentation was on-line. The macro language is a dialect of
the computer language Lisp, all necessary manuals for which are also on
line.   It was trivial to develop macros to insert these characters.  (The
recently released version of emacs, emacs 20.2, even has the capability to
display and enter native characters of a large number of languages,
including Chinese, Thai, Japanese, Arabic, Hebrew, Korean, and (East) Indian
languages.)  Because the FSF donated msdos versions of other unix utilities,
including the excellent sort, permutated index generator, grep (search),
etc. programs, I was able to begin delving into and learning the quiver of
such utilities that comes with unix operating systems.  Later on, when I
travelled to Guam, I was able to obtain the Linux operating system by FTP
over the Internet.  (I still use  Linux today, almost exclusively).

Using this software library, I was able to develop a data format that met my
needs.  When I obtained Linux, LaTeX and TeX--another awesome non-commercial
package)  were an integrated part of the system, and I started to use it, at
first only to print out the manuals that come with  free software (another
strong "selling" point).  Eventually, I wrote a series of lisp routines that
manipulated the records of the lexical data (each record occupies a line)
and output an entry of the lexicon, in the  style of my development.

With the help of another University of Hawaii linguist, an emacs guru, to be
sure, I was able to steal his work and write a sort program in emacs lisp
that sorts Chuukese words in any arbitrary order.

Alan

28th November 1997: Contributions on languages needed

From: Javier Bezos 
Subject: Contributions on languages needed

I would like information on \...name tranlations,
typographical conventions and specific letters from as many
languages as possible (with latin alphabet or romanized), for use
in the package polyglot for LaTeX2e. Information on inputting
conventions by local user groups will be also welcome.


People interested in collaborating or in giving me
permission for code copying, please contact me at
jbezos@mx3.redestb.es. No programming experience is
required.


Thanks a lot in advance. 
________________________________________
Javier             jbezos@mx3.redestb.es

9th December 1997: RLA2C - EXTENDED DEAD LINE - 31-12-97

From: Jean-Francois.Bonastre@lia.univ-avignon.fr
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:12:04 +0100

EXTENDED DEAD LINE - 31/12/97 ***** DELAI SUPPLEMENTAIRE- 31/12/97
_________________________________________________
       Colloque RLA2C      Workshop RLA2C
       --------------      --------------
      la Reconnaissance      Speaker
              du Locuteur      Recognition
                     et ses      and its
                 Applications      Commercial
                   Commerciales      and Forensic
              et Criminalistiques      Applications

                     -----------------
               AVIGNON  20-23 avril/april 1998
 
Owing to several requests of possible authors who could not
submit a proposal for the original date, the dead-line
for proposing a article to the RLA2C workshop has been extended
until  31 december 1997

For RLA2C,

JF Bonastre
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